WEBVTT 1 00:00:22.800 --> 00:00:26.200 Hello and welcome to Word and Work an Intersection. 2 00:00:26.200 --> 00:00:29.500 I'm your host Dale Meyer joining us are Dr. 3 00:00:29.500 --> 00:00:30.100 Ken Burreson. 4 00:00:30.100 --> 00:00:31.000 And Dr. 5 00:00:31.000 --> 00:00:31.900 David Schmitt. 6 00:00:31.900 --> 00:00:34.700 They are members of the St. 7 00:00:34.700 --> 00:00:35.500 Timothy and St. 8 00:00:35.500 --> 00:00:41.000 Titus stained glass design committee, we will learn about that. 9 00:00:41.000 --> 00:00:45.800 They've been key and ongoing efforts of this major project here at 10 00:00:45.800 --> 00:00:47.300 Concordia Seminary. 11 00:00:47.300 --> 00:00:48.800 Welcome gentlemen. 12 00:00:50.200 --> 00:00:53.900 Tell us what this project is all about. 13 00:00:55.400 --> 00:01:00.200 This project is about providing stained glass windows for the entire 14 00:01:00.200 --> 00:01:01.500 Chapel building. 15 00:01:01.500 --> 00:01:05.700 So all of the windows in the chapel St. Timothy and St. Titus will 16 00:01:05.700 --> 00:01:07.100 receive stained glass. 17 00:01:07.100 --> 00:01:10.500 We only had stained glass in the chancel window when the building was 18 00:01:10.500 --> 00:01:15.600 constructed so that all of the transept the two niches that stick out 19 00:01:15.600 --> 00:01:20.200 on the side of the chapel and then the the nave the main body of the 20 00:01:20.200 --> 00:01:22.400 building all those windows were clear glass. 21 00:01:22.400 --> 00:01:24.500 We didn't have stained glass in them. 22 00:01:24.500 --> 00:01:28.700 They were built so that they could receive stained glass when the 23 00:01:28.700 --> 00:01:33.000 building was constructed but but the money was not there at the time 24 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:37.300 for providing stained glass and through a generous trust, 25 00:01:37.300 --> 00:01:40.800 we now have the money and so they will all all the windows in the 26 00:01:40.800 --> 00:01:45.600 building will receive stained glass. So let's unpack that. When was this Chapel building 27 00:01:45.600 --> 00:01:52.300 constructed? So it's finished in 1992. And when I was a student Chapel 28 00:01:52.300 --> 00:01:55.400 was in what we call the Wyneken auditorium, and I don't 29 00:01:55.400 --> 00:01:57.000 we all fit into it at that time? 30 00:01:57.000 --> 00:02:03.500 But but this is a magnificent building and the original plan was for 31 00:02:03.500 --> 00:02:06.700 stained glass windows. That's correct. Okay. 32 00:02:08.100 --> 00:02:11.900 You know students need tuition 33 00:02:11.900 --> 00:02:13.600 help... 34 00:02:13.600 --> 00:02:15.300 Why Dr. 35 00:02:15.300 --> 00:02:20.100 Schmitt are we taking money to put into stained glass windows? 36 00:02:20.100 --> 00:02:25.500 Well, I wouldn't say we're taking money that there are people who are 37 00:02:25.500 --> 00:02:26.200 giving money. 38 00:02:26.200 --> 00:02:32.800 They have chosen to offer a request that can be used for adorning the 39 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:39.200 chapel and you know, that's how we were honoring the spirits moving of 40 00:02:39.200 --> 00:02:41.900 them to give money for this purpose. 41 00:02:41.900 --> 00:02:47.400 And you know, the church is always honored such acts ever since our 42 00:02:47.400 --> 00:02:51.300 Lord himself on her the woman who took a year's worth of wages and 43 00:02:51.300 --> 00:02:55.400 poured it on his head and you know, he said that this will always be 44 00:02:55.400 --> 00:02:57.300 told in memory of her so it said. 45 00:02:57.300 --> 00:03:03.100 I think it's wonderful to honor those who who have the desire to use 46 00:03:03.100 --> 00:03:07.700 the arts for the formation and a people in the worship of God. 47 00:03:08.000 --> 00:03:13.100 Yeah, this is this is a testimony to the love that people have for the 48 00:03:13.100 --> 00:03:15.000 church and for the Seminary. 49 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:16.200 Mr. 50 00:03:16.200 --> 00:03:19.100 Eugene Finke and his wife Mrs. 51 00:03:19.100 --> 00:03:19.700 Neal Fink. 52 00:03:19.700 --> 00:03:22.200 He made this arrangement in their 53 00:03:22.200 --> 00:03:27.100 will the money to be given for the installation of the stained glass 54 00:03:27.100 --> 00:03:28.500 windows in the chapel. 55 00:03:28.500 --> 00:03:31.800 So we're not diverting money from students or anything like this, 56 00:03:31.800 --> 00:03:34.000 this is an enhancement. And frankly 57 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:38.200 it strikes me that that this is an addition which not only is this 58 00:03:38.200 --> 00:03:44.800 aesthetically pleasing but it's going to help form the souls of our future 59 00:03:44.800 --> 00:03:49.700 pastors and deaconesses for generations to come as long as that Chapel 60 00:03:49.700 --> 00:03:56.000 stands. Would you comment on that? That's absolutely correct the stained glass 61 00:03:56.000 --> 00:03:57.700 were installing is traditional leaded stained glass. 62 00:03:57.700 --> 00:04:03.100 I mean its lifetime is, you know in perpetuity, you know, it will need 63 00:04:03.100 --> 00:04:04.100 to be serviced. 64 00:04:04.100 --> 00:04:08.000 Probably ninety eighty to ninety years in after 65 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:10.200 installed. You're on the committee for that. 66 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:19.899 So yeah, I mean it's going to last and and it will form our 67 00:04:19.899 --> 00:04:23.000 understanding of what's going on and worship on campus will for my 68 00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:27.500 understanding of what our mission is as a seminary in terms of 69 00:04:27.500 --> 00:04:30.100 training men and women to serve as pastors and deaconesses 70 00:04:30.100 --> 00:04:34.800 missionaries Educators throughout the world and the focus will be on 71 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:35.400 Christ. 72 00:04:35.400 --> 00:04:40.500 So that will be prominent in the in the new stained glass. And the beauty of it is 73 00:04:40.500 --> 00:04:44.600 that the bequest was of such a nature that you were able to do all of 74 00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:45.200 the windows. 75 00:04:45.200 --> 00:04:50.700 And so there is a holistic coherence to the entire design. 76 00:04:50.700 --> 00:04:54.600 It's it's unlike, you know some I've been in some Churches where you 77 00:04:54.600 --> 00:04:58.200 can tell when certain windows were dedicated and then they added on 78 00:04:58.200 --> 00:05:02.700 other ones and there was a very clear difference between the style or 79 00:05:02.700 --> 00:05:04.900 the content of the windows and it was fragmented. 80 00:05:04.900 --> 00:05:09.000 Where's this'll all be of one piece. Talking about different styles you 81 00:05:09.000 --> 00:05:11.700 mentioned this will be traditional leaded glass. 82 00:05:11.700 --> 00:05:12.700 Okay. 83 00:05:13.500 --> 00:05:18.600 What do we have now in the front of the chancel or what? 84 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:19.200 I should say. 85 00:05:19.200 --> 00:05:20.300 What did we have? 86 00:05:20.300 --> 00:05:22.400 That's that's a different style. 87 00:05:22.400 --> 00:05:26.400 So we had the window of St. 88 00:05:26.400 --> 00:05:26.800 Timothy and St. 89 00:05:26.800 --> 00:05:30.300 Titus which the Timothy and Titus after which the Chapel's name were 90 00:05:30.300 --> 00:05:34.200 the most prominent figures in that original stained glass behind the 91 00:05:34.200 --> 00:05:39.200 behind the chancel was made of faceted glass which is a different kind 92 00:05:39.200 --> 00:05:42.000 of glass is a thicker cut glass much thicker. 93 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:48.400 Where's leaded glass is thinner and it's always a different style 94 00:05:48.400 --> 00:05:53.100 design of stained glass and its longevity. 95 00:05:53.100 --> 00:05:58.100 The stained-glass longevity is long-term, but the epoxies and the kind 96 00:05:58.100 --> 00:06:00.500 of materials that are used to help put it together. 97 00:06:00.500 --> 00:06:04.500 I don't last as long as as the lead in leaded stained-glass. 98 00:06:04.500 --> 00:06:11.000 So so it's life span was about fifty years until a major 99 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:13.300 reconstruction would have hit me to take place. 100 00:06:13.500 --> 00:06:16.500 We would have needed to undertake a major reconstruction. 101 00:06:16.500 --> 00:06:21.300 So fortuitous in that sense because we've been able to remove those 102 00:06:21.300 --> 00:06:25.700 windows and now construct new windows all of them leaded stained glass 103 00:06:25.700 --> 00:06:32.000 with this holistic emphasis unified and there and then we'll repurpose 104 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:33.700 the the old window in some way. 105 00:06:33.700 --> 00:06:38.800 I remember when the committee first started meeting, you know, the two 106 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:41.700 different styles and finally someone made the suggestion. 107 00:06:41.700 --> 00:06:46.500 Why don't we ask the board if we can take Timothy and Titus out 108 00:06:46.500 --> 00:06:51.300 repurpose them and then have one style all the way through the 109 00:06:51.300 --> 00:06:52.000 sanctuary. 110 00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:55.900 One of the things that is important. 111 00:06:55.900 --> 00:07:01.500 I think to all of us is we like the clear glass than we have now. 112 00:07:01.500 --> 00:07:07.100 I know when I preach people are always looking out the window and 113 00:07:07.100 --> 00:07:08.600 watching the squirrels. 114 00:07:10.100 --> 00:07:14.300 And you could conceivably have stained glass that turns it 115 00:07:14.300 --> 00:07:20.000 into the darkness of a tomb so completely. Well that was one of the 116 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:25.600 major concerns of the committee and so the choice of Lynchburg to do 117 00:07:25.600 --> 00:07:26.100 the glass. 118 00:07:26.100 --> 00:07:31.500 One of the reasons we chose them was the style that they have done is 119 00:07:31.500 --> 00:07:38.500 a one which mixes transparency viewing out outside through the glass 120 00:07:38.500 --> 00:07:39.800 as well as seeing the stained glass. 121 00:07:39.800 --> 00:07:44.700 And so we believe that the windows are going to still be light let in 122 00:07:44.700 --> 00:07:48.900 light let you allow you to look out as well as have the figures and 123 00:07:48.900 --> 00:07:52.800 in, so the balance that was really one of the I think key components 124 00:07:52.800 --> 00:07:57.500 as we were I think interview like 13 different. 125 00:07:57.500 --> 00:08:01.500 Yeah, 13 different companies in that what caused our this one to rise to the 126 00:08:01.500 --> 00:08:06.000 surface was their work and the use of transparency. And this is 127 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:09.600 Lynchburg stained glass from Lynchburg, Virginia. 128 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:13.700 Let's take us back. 129 00:08:13.700 --> 00:08:18.600 We received this bequest and I appointed a committee. 130 00:08:19.800 --> 00:08:22.600 Tell us about the committee's the quality of the committee. 131 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:30.100 So the committee which you composed was formed of faculty and 132 00:08:30.100 --> 00:08:36.600 emeritus faculty as well as some of the other staff members on campus. 133 00:08:36.600 --> 00:08:38.200 So Dr. 134 00:08:38.200 --> 00:08:39.700 Schmitt is on the committee. 135 00:08:39.700 --> 00:08:45.200 I'm on the committee as Dean of Chapel Dr. Eric Herman of chairman 136 00:08:45.200 --> 00:08:48.300 of our historical theology department is on the committee. 137 00:08:48.300 --> 00:08:49.800 You're on the committee, of course. 138 00:08:49.800 --> 00:08:52.200 Mr. 139 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:55.000 Michael Lewis, who is our vice RC. 140 00:08:55.000 --> 00:08:59.500 I forget exactly Executive Vice President, Chief Operating Officer. 141 00:08:59.500 --> 00:09:10.400 Martin Hauge who is our Facilities Manager. The reason that that's important is. 142 00:09:10.400 --> 00:09:16.400 Hey, you're talkin about some heavy glass, you know, can the building 143 00:09:16.400 --> 00:09:19.000 hold it is it prepared for that. 144 00:09:19.000 --> 00:09:19.500 So then 145 00:09:19.800 --> 00:09:24.500 and in the logistics of taking out Timothy and Titus and I had all 146 00:09:24.500 --> 00:09:26.600 this work you need practical guys. 147 00:09:26.600 --> 00:09:31.900 Not only the the aesthetic guy in. 148 00:09:31.900 --> 00:09:32.100 Dr. 149 00:09:32.100 --> 00:09:36.800 James Brauer who is our former Dean of Chapel retired Dean Chapel of 150 00:09:36.800 --> 00:09:37.400 Emeritus. 151 00:09:37.400 --> 00:09:44.800 Reverend Bill Mastat a retired pastor who works in 152 00:09:44.800 --> 00:09:47.500 stained glass, and so he's got practical inside. 153 00:09:47.500 --> 00:09:53.000 This is really a quality committee and you've been at work for like 2 154 00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:59.600 years, 3 years, and I mean it's interesting the committee because the 155 00:09:59.600 --> 00:10:03.700 things that people bring so Jim Brower is a water colorist. 156 00:10:03.700 --> 00:10:07.200 So he does that type of art so his ability to think about color and 157 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:10.900 then at one point there was the discussion of the musical instruments 158 00:10:10.900 --> 00:10:15.100 that the Angels were holding Jim kind of went off on a lecture of the 159 00:10:15.100 --> 00:10:16.700 other development of certain musical instruments. 160 00:10:19.800 --> 00:10:21.700 It's a nice combination of different fields 161 00:10:21.700 --> 00:10:28.300 I think it works very well. Part of part of this installation plan is 162 00:10:28.300 --> 00:10:31.300 education for the students and and for others. 163 00:10:31.300 --> 00:10:33.000 Could you talk a little bit about that? 164 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:37.100 Yeah, so Lynchburg is documenting the process. 165 00:10:37.100 --> 00:10:43.500 So they are taking video and pictures as they're developing the plan 166 00:10:43.500 --> 00:10:46.700 for the construction the windows including choosing the various 167 00:10:46.700 --> 00:10:51.400 stained glass type of color stained glass and tint and everything that 168 00:10:51.400 --> 00:10:53.000 will go into it and how they lay it out. 169 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:57.300 So we'll be able to make that those videos available online to 170 00:10:57.300 --> 00:11:01.800 students when they were here and removed the current chancel window. 171 00:11:01.800 --> 00:11:10.100 Our campus Communications Department videotape that in a fast time 172 00:11:10.100 --> 00:11:10.400 mode. 173 00:11:10.400 --> 00:11:13.400 I forget what that's called or slow time mode so that you can go and 174 00:11:13.400 --> 00:11:18.300 watch the process, you know, so that's available online. Students 175 00:11:18.300 --> 00:11:19.400 who weren't, I had a 176 00:11:19.700 --> 00:11:24.600 a lecturer at the time about the stained-glass process similar to what 177 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:27.800 we're doing here in this conversation next year. 178 00:11:27.800 --> 00:11:30.400 The Symposium will be on Art and Theology 179 00:11:30.400 --> 00:11:34.800 and so that'll pick up on helping students think through what's the 180 00:11:34.800 --> 00:11:36.300 relationship of art to theology. 181 00:11:36.300 --> 00:11:41.200 That's the Theological Symposium next September if you're a pastor 182 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:47.700 sign up if you're a lay person you can come and get your pastor to 183 00:11:47.700 --> 00:11:49.700 come so spectacular. 184 00:11:49.700 --> 00:11:56.400 It's going to be spectacular to walk in and see the whole you santuary 185 00:11:56.400 --> 00:11:57.600 with these gorgeous, 186 00:11:57.600 --> 00:12:00.500 gorgeous Windows. You talk about the design. 187 00:12:00.500 --> 00:12:02.500 Who does that? 188 00:12:02.500 --> 00:12:07.300 Is that a by committee at Lynchburg other, or is there a lead? 189 00:12:07.300 --> 00:12:10.100 There's a lead his name is Rich Busswell he's the artistic director 190 00:12:10.100 --> 00:12:12.300 for Lynchburg stained glass. 191 00:12:12.300 --> 00:12:17.200 And so he's the one that takes the lead in terms of of the actual 192 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:19.500 design of the windows, but he obviously 193 00:12:19.700 --> 00:12:24.600 In terms of the overall thematic design the committee provided him with 194 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:29.300 significant input guided his processing and so we've been in 195 00:12:29.300 --> 00:12:37.500 conversation with him now for two years about the composition of the 196 00:12:37.500 --> 00:12:38.400 various windows. 197 00:12:38.400 --> 00:12:46.000 And so he's he's finalized designs of the chance of window and the and 198 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:49.500 the south transept window the north transept window. 199 00:12:49.500 --> 00:12:53.900 He's still working on finalization there and then the knave windows 200 00:12:53.900 --> 00:12:55.700 were still in the process of conversation. 201 00:12:55.700 --> 00:12:56.400 Okay. 202 00:12:56.400 --> 00:13:04.000 So for those of us who are not liturgically adept, he uses big words 203 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:07.400 transept and nave pretty soon 204 00:13:07.400 --> 00:13:08.500 he'll bring up the undercroft. 205 00:13:08.500 --> 00:13:15.700 Okay lot of churches and Chapel Timothy and Titus is designed as a 206 00:13:15.700 --> 00:13:18.700 cross fly over the top of it and see across. 207 00:13:19.700 --> 00:13:23.000 Okay, the chancel that's where the altar is. 208 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:28.100 and then the transept are the two arms of the cross that go out to the 209 00:13:28.100 --> 00:13:28.500 side. 210 00:13:28.500 --> 00:13:35.000 Is that a Layman's explanation and nave is the main hall coming from 211 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:39.500 the Latin word now is meaning ship because it was always conceived as 212 00:13:39.500 --> 00:13:41.900 a as a ship flipped over. 213 00:13:41.900 --> 00:13:42.500 Yeah, so 214 00:13:44.100 --> 00:13:48.400 Yeah, let's let's go up to the chancel window. 215 00:13:49.500 --> 00:13:55.000 That's where the altar is Timothy and Titus have been taken out. 216 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:56.500 It remains a chapel of St. 217 00:13:56.500 --> 00:14:00.900 Timothy and Titus and those two guys are in storage now. 218 00:14:04.200 --> 00:14:04.900 They're hibernating. 219 00:14:04.900 --> 00:14:09.200 So now you said this earlier David. 220 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:13.900 It's going to be one grand theme inside. 221 00:14:15.800 --> 00:14:21.000 Talk about the grand theme. We decided early on that the Te Deum 222 00:14:21.000 --> 00:14:25.300 which is one of the great canticles used in Matins and morning 223 00:14:25.300 --> 00:14:31.300 prayer on a regular basis would provide the theme. Luther considered 224 00:14:31.300 --> 00:14:37.900 the Te Deum to be creedle a creedle piece, you know because of the nature of 225 00:14:37.900 --> 00:14:42.400 the Te Deum it shaped with praise the God had that leads to praise of the 226 00:14:42.400 --> 00:14:46.400 Trinity and then the middle section focuses upon the Redemptive work 227 00:14:46.400 --> 00:14:48.600 of Christ Jesus death Resurrection. 228 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:52.700 His coming death Resurrection Ascension and second coming and 229 00:14:52.700 --> 00:14:57.700 then and then concludes with that sort of emphasis upon the the second 230 00:14:57.700 --> 00:14:59.400 coming and judgments and those kinds of things. 231 00:14:59.400 --> 00:15:04.100 So it has a very creedle kind of structure to it and I am because it's 232 00:15:04.100 --> 00:15:07.900 represented strongly in the in the worship tradition of the church 233 00:15:07.900 --> 00:15:10.900 going back all the way to the 5th 6th century. 234 00:15:10.900 --> 00:15:13.900 It was probably composed when exactly when it was composed the 235 00:15:13.900 --> 00:15:15.600 probably sometime in the 5th 6th century. 236 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:20.800 Because of that strong traditional worship of the church and the fact 237 00:15:20.800 --> 00:15:24.100 that we use it regularly on campus in our worship. 238 00:15:24.100 --> 00:15:28.000 It's an appropriate theme to reflect that Credo kind of 239 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:32.000 narrative that the men and women are going out to Proclaim and to 240 00:15:32.000 --> 00:15:37.800 serve in the name of and I'm also to reflect the the focal point of 241 00:15:37.800 --> 00:15:39.600 our worship as a campus community. 242 00:15:39.600 --> 00:15:43.600 So we're worshiping the Triune God were worshipping through him through his 243 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:47.100 son Jesus Christ in the power of the spirit and worshipping with all 244 00:15:47.100 --> 00:15:50.700 the saints and Angels the martyrs who get mentioned in the Te Deum or 245 00:15:50.700 --> 00:15:56.000 worshipping with this whole Catholic crowd of people that are 246 00:15:56.000 --> 00:15:59.900 surrounding us and so you'll get the sense from the stained-glass 247 00:15:59.900 --> 00:16:03.900 windows because the knave windows will probably have a lot of saints 248 00:16:03.900 --> 00:16:06.500 figures from the Old Testament New Testament history of the church 249 00:16:06.500 --> 00:16:12.500 represented in in not directly so that you can look at them and say 250 00:16:12.500 --> 00:16:15.700 all that Martin Luther but that it would evoke 251 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:19.500 the recognition potentially that that looks like somebody could be 252 00:16:19.500 --> 00:16:24.200 Martin Luther. So we'll be surrounded by this cloud of witnesses as 253 00:16:24.200 --> 00:16:27.700 we're singing this hymn from the history of the church and all our other 254 00:16:27.700 --> 00:16:34.600 hymns of worship tools and that will enable us to understand this 255 00:16:34.600 --> 00:16:37.900 procession that we're moving toward the kingdom of God that is coming. 256 00:16:37.900 --> 00:16:43.900 So for those of us who don't know te deum laudamus we praise thee 257 00:16:43.900 --> 00:16:50.300 O Lord, we acknowledge thee to be the king praise you oh Lord, we 258 00:16:50.300 --> 00:16:56.200 worship be the father Everlasting to the all angels cry aloud to 259 00:16:56.200 --> 00:16:59.500 heavens and all the powers there in to the cherubim and seraphim 260 00:16:59.500 --> 00:17:02.800 continually do cry and and on and on it goes. 261 00:17:02.800 --> 00:17:08.700 So now you know, what we're talkin about the Nave windows will be the 262 00:17:08.700 --> 00:17:14.300 the martyrs the prophets evangelists and those windows are yet to be 263 00:17:14.300 --> 00:17:16.000 designed correct. Correct. 264 00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:19.500 I mean, it takes a lot of time just to design a window. 265 00:17:19.500 --> 00:17:24.500 There's almost a a circular motion to the to the design. 266 00:17:24.500 --> 00:17:30.000 So you'll start at the baptismal font in the narthex. The narthrex is the 267 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:36.600 entrance for those of us from Illinois. The entrance and there will be this 268 00:17:36.600 --> 00:17:39.100 movement into the church 269 00:17:39.100 --> 00:17:44.300 and so you'll be moving a through the Old Testament figures through to 270 00:17:44.300 --> 00:17:48.700 Christ and you have his death is resurrection has returned and then on 271 00:17:48.700 --> 00:17:51.800 this side will be are the figures of the new creation. 272 00:17:51.800 --> 00:17:55.200 And so there's still some discussion on how will we differentiate 273 00:17:55.200 --> 00:18:01.900 between the before the new creation and after the New Creation I think 274 00:18:01.900 --> 00:18:05.500 part of it was going to be in color palette in part of it might be in 275 00:18:05.500 --> 00:18:09.300 a Halo or an nimbus around the figure. But you say they're still 276 00:18:09.300 --> 00:18:13.500 discussion going on. Were going to take a short break and maybe you can resolve the discussion. 277 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:17.400 Stay with us. 278 00:18:17.400 --> 00:18:20.800 We're going to get more specifics about this marvelous project. 279 00:18:21.600 --> 00:18:25.900 Make a difference in the world become a church worker or encourage 280 00:18:25.900 --> 00:18:30.000 someone you know who has these skills. Call Concordia Seminary admissions 281 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:37.800 at 800-822-9545 or email admission at CSL. 282 00:18:37.800 --> 00:18:38.600 Edu. 283 00:18:38.600 --> 00:18:42.800 That's 800-822-9545. 284 00:18:42.800 --> 00:18:46.400 Concordia Seminary can make a difference in your world. 285 00:18:46.400 --> 00:18:50.200 Welcome back to Word and Work an Intersection. 286 00:18:50.200 --> 00:18:52.700 I'm your host Dale Meyer. 287 00:18:52.700 --> 00:18:53.800 Today our guests are Dr. 288 00:18:53.800 --> 00:18:54.400 Kent Burreson. 289 00:18:54.400 --> 00:18:55.300 And Dr. 290 00:18:55.300 --> 00:18:56.100 David Schmitt. 291 00:18:56.100 --> 00:19:00.400 We've been discussing the new stained glass window project that's 292 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:02.700 happening here at the chapel of sS. 293 00:19:02.700 --> 00:19:03.600 Timothy and St. 294 00:19:03.600 --> 00:19:09.700 Titus. Before the break you were talking about the narthex no the the 295 00:19:09.700 --> 00:19:13.400 Nave Windows got those words right narthex is when you come in 296 00:19:13.400 --> 00:19:14.400 baptismal font. 297 00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:18.500 That's the way we enter the church the nave is it is the main hall 298 00:19:18.500 --> 00:19:21.500 and you talking about differences between the North 299 00:19:21.600 --> 00:19:25.800 on the South Side would you recap again. Yes, so on the South Side will be the 300 00:19:25.800 --> 00:19:31.700 the Old Testament figures leading up to Christ along with the angels 301 00:19:31.700 --> 00:19:36.500 the cherubim and the seraphim and the prophets who are awaiting the 302 00:19:36.500 --> 00:19:40.000 coming of the Christ and then on the North side will be the new 303 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:43.800 creation in the witnesses of the many cultures and languages that have 304 00:19:43.800 --> 00:19:47.600 gathered around the throne all because of the work of Christ in what I 305 00:19:47.600 --> 00:19:52.900 think is really beautiful about this is that if you're sitting towards 306 00:19:52.900 --> 00:19:58.900 the back you will see these figures joined and worship and upfront you 307 00:19:58.900 --> 00:20:01.200 will have the resurrected Christ. Well lets move to the chancel. 308 00:20:01.200 --> 00:20:15.800 This is kind of a trick I think is beautiful about it as you move forward suddenly that that that understanding of Christ is just going to 309 00:20:15.800 --> 00:20:20.600 explode and grow larger as you see his death is resurrection in this 310 00:20:20.600 --> 00:20:21.500 return so you 311 00:20:21.500 --> 00:20:27.900 always be worshipping in a way that is aware of the presence of the 312 00:20:27.900 --> 00:20:30.500 resurrected Christ at this moment. 313 00:20:30.500 --> 00:20:34.600 But then the the larger story of the death resurrection of return will 314 00:20:34.600 --> 00:20:37.500 come to you as you walk up to the communion altar. 315 00:20:37.500 --> 00:20:40.700 I just think it's I think it's beautiful. As you move forward 316 00:20:40.700 --> 00:20:49.500 then these figures from the past on both sides are behind you and 317 00:20:49.500 --> 00:20:56.200 you're surrounded by the great cloud of witnesses. So the Hebrews imagery is an 318 00:20:56.200 --> 00:20:57.100 activeness that's embodied in the windows. 319 00:20:57.100 --> 00:21:03.300 So let's talk about the three big windows and we'll start at the South 320 00:21:03.300 --> 00:21:09.100 transept crossbeam and tell us about what's going to be in that 321 00:21:09.100 --> 00:21:09.400 window. 322 00:21:09.400 --> 00:21:12.900 Yes, the South transept window will be the crucifixion or the 323 00:21:12.900 --> 00:21:14.400 humiliation of Christ. 324 00:21:14.400 --> 00:21:20.800 So I will represent Christ on the on the cross in that sense of 325 00:21:20.800 --> 00:21:21.200 traditional. 326 00:21:21.500 --> 00:21:26.400 representation of his crucifixion in his passion his suffering and then 327 00:21:26.400 --> 00:21:30.300 we'll have them there will be a variety of other figures and and 328 00:21:30.300 --> 00:21:37.000 things at the at the foot of the cross . At the foot of the cross will be the Pelican piercing 329 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:41.600 its breast to feed it's brood with its own blood and if I remember 330 00:21:41.600 --> 00:21:44.700 correctly, I'm not sure but I think what was going to happen is that 331 00:21:44.700 --> 00:21:50.500 you'll have the figure with the Pelican feeding its brood through its 332 00:21:50.500 --> 00:21:54.200 own blood and then there will be a few that are actually having the 333 00:21:54.200 --> 00:21:57.600 blood that comes from the cross so that you make the connection 334 00:21:57.600 --> 00:22:02.500 between the Pelican figure and Christ and that work. And there's 335 00:22:02.500 --> 00:22:04.000 going to be I think 336 00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:08.100 there's an angel offering the Cup of Wrath to Christ. 337 00:22:08.100 --> 00:22:12.600 So you'll have Christ figured out and there's kind of an illusion you 338 00:22:12.600 --> 00:22:16.800 remember Robbie had that article important article on the Cup of Wrath 339 00:22:16.800 --> 00:22:17.900 in the Old Testament. 340 00:22:17.900 --> 00:22:21.400 And so you kind of will have that represented and I believe that 341 00:22:21.500 --> 00:22:26.600 In all of the other windows the angels will be playing instruments and 342 00:22:26.600 --> 00:22:30.000 praising but in this one window, they will be silent. That is a wonderful thing about the committee 343 00:22:33.700 --> 00:22:38.500 somebody always see something so when the design came back there 344 00:22:38.500 --> 00:22:42.400 were angels are playing instruments in and I don't know who said wait 345 00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:42.600 a minute. 346 00:22:42.600 --> 00:22:42.900 Wait a minute. 347 00:22:42.900 --> 00:22:44.800 They would not have been playing on Good Friday. 348 00:22:44.800 --> 00:22:50.000 It's which which also leads me to assume that sometime in the future 349 00:22:50.000 --> 00:22:52.000 when the project is done. 350 00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:56.700 We're going to have a guidebook and talking about all the symbolism 351 00:22:56.700 --> 00:22:58.800 which is so so rich. 352 00:22:58.800 --> 00:23:07.000 There's also in that window, David's comments reminded me, the one thing that 353 00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:10.600 stretches through all three of the transept the 2 transept windows and the 354 00:23:10.600 --> 00:23:15.900 chancel window is the Son and so in the in the crucifixion window, you 355 00:23:15.900 --> 00:23:19.300 have this brightness that is darkened, you know, by by 356 00:23:19.300 --> 00:23:22.800 it is eccentrically what looks like an eclipse or something and then the 357 00:23:22.800 --> 00:23:26.500 Son appears in the resurrection window is this bright shining, you 358 00:23:26.500 --> 00:23:30.100 know reality of the resurrection of Christ the Holy Spirit descending 359 00:23:30.100 --> 00:23:33.600 you also have some other figures in that window which 360 00:23:33.700 --> 00:23:37.700 we can talk about and then it will get represented in some way in the in the 361 00:23:37.700 --> 00:23:43.300 judgment and second coming window in the north transept the brightness 362 00:23:43.300 --> 00:23:43.700 of the Son. 363 00:23:43.700 --> 00:23:47.600 So that's a stretches to all three of the windows. 364 00:23:47.600 --> 00:23:49.800 So let's move to that chance will window. 365 00:23:50.800 --> 00:23:56.100 And talk about that in some detail the resurrection. In the 366 00:23:56.100 --> 00:23:57.200 resurrection window. 367 00:23:57.200 --> 00:24:01.800 You have a pom there will be a pomegranate which is a sign of 368 00:24:01.800 --> 00:24:07.700 fruitfulness to sign of New Life a sign of resurrected life, which is 369 00:24:07.700 --> 00:24:08.500 very fruitful. 370 00:24:08.500 --> 00:24:13.400 And then you also have stalks of wheat as well as grapes representing 371 00:24:13.400 --> 00:24:18.400 the representing the new Heaven and a new Earth but represented in the 372 00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:24.300 celebration of the Lord's Supper wheat for the bread and grapes for the 373 00:24:24.300 --> 00:24:29.000 wine out of the water and the water from baptism flowing through there 374 00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:32.700 as well as well as Angels up at the top now playing their instruments, 375 00:24:32.700 --> 00:24:36.600 you know rejoicing, celebrating announcing the resurrection of 376 00:24:36.600 --> 00:24:36.800 Christ. 377 00:24:36.800 --> 00:24:41.400 And then with the resurrection of what I I love I just love this way 378 00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:47.900 in which that the sun figure is kind of behind these two birds. 379 00:24:47.900 --> 00:24:50.700 So we have the Pelican with her brood in the Crucifixion 380 00:24:50.700 --> 00:24:55.700 window and here, you have a Phoenix rising out of the fire 381 00:24:55.700 --> 00:24:57.700 with Christ resurrection. 382 00:24:57.700 --> 00:25:03.400 And then you have a holy spirit coming down as you know sent by Christ 383 00:25:03.400 --> 00:25:07.300 to the people in so you've got this rising of Christ in the sending of 384 00:25:07.300 --> 00:25:12.200 the Holy Spirit kind of just right there in the center toward 385 00:25:12.200 --> 00:25:15.000 the bottom of the of the window. As you move up to the figure of 386 00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:20.800 Christ, which is a gorgeous and with that with the sacraments you have 387 00:25:20.800 --> 00:25:24.900 the Lord's Supper you have baptism and then you have the preaching of 388 00:25:24.900 --> 00:25:29.400 the word with this figure of the sword of the word that Christ himself 389 00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:34.300 is holding and that sort of the word is entering into the spirit. 390 00:25:34.300 --> 00:25:38.500 So you got the spirit joined to the Word and what I thought was 391 00:25:38.500 --> 00:25:44.300 beautiful was that his hand is on the hilt of The Sword and the jewels 392 00:25:44.300 --> 00:25:47.100 in the sword one jewel is the wound in his hand. 393 00:25:47.100 --> 00:25:50.600 Wow. And so what is it that actually being preached it's the death 394 00:25:50.700 --> 00:25:52.300 Resurrection of Christ for you. 395 00:25:52.300 --> 00:25:57.700 So it's just rich. The formative nature for our students and for us to of 396 00:25:57.700 --> 00:26:01.700 these windows is amazing the thought popped into my head that they 397 00:26:01.700 --> 00:26:06.200 said that Luther probably designed his Rose when he was sitting 398 00:26:06.200 --> 00:26:11.300 looking at the window in the monastery and Erfurt because the design 399 00:26:11.300 --> 00:26:17.500 suggests what we now know as the Luther Rose the Luther seal so that 400 00:26:17.500 --> 00:26:20.600 again that may happen when I'm preaching and people are looking at the 401 00:26:20.600 --> 00:26:27.600 windows, but they'll benefit from that. So now from that spectacular Resurrection window 402 00:26:27.600 --> 00:26:32.100 we have one more up in the front and the north transept. Which 403 00:26:32.100 --> 00:26:35.500 celebrates the the judgment and the second coming of Christ. 404 00:26:35.500 --> 00:26:39.300 So Christ will be this isn't finalized yet. 405 00:26:39.300 --> 00:26:43.600 But Christ will be represented in glory with one hand raised and 406 00:26:43.600 --> 00:26:47.700 blessing in the other hand extended out to all the people that David 407 00:26:47.700 --> 00:26:50.600 was talking about that will also be represented in the lower 408 00:26:50.700 --> 00:26:54.300 part of that window, but then also stretching into the windows in the 409 00:26:54.300 --> 00:26:54.800 nave. 410 00:26:54.800 --> 00:27:00.500 So you'll get this sense of welcome beckoning us to into his new kingdom 411 00:27:00.500 --> 00:27:04.300 that he's establishing and then there will be Angels again up at the 412 00:27:04.300 --> 00:27:09.700 top and there will be some application of the Judgment in the sense of 413 00:27:09.700 --> 00:27:13.100 those who are not entering the kingdom, but that will be a very very 414 00:27:13.100 --> 00:27:17.700 kind of subtle representation, you know, you'll see sort of a place 415 00:27:17.700 --> 00:27:22.000 off in the distance kind of thing. The window is not going to be Dante's Inferno. 416 00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:22.800 Correct? 417 00:27:22.800 --> 00:27:28.800 Correct correct. I don't know if that is in there or not. 418 00:27:28.800 --> 00:27:32.700 But we were talking about continuing that theme of the bird that we 419 00:27:32.700 --> 00:27:38.400 have the Pelican we have the Phoenix and the spirit and then having a 420 00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:45.000 kind of the dove that was let out of the Ark after the flood and that 421 00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:48.900 would be leading us then into the new creation and so the return of 422 00:27:48.900 --> 00:27:50.500 Christ but more than the return of Christ 423 00:27:50.600 --> 00:27:53.100 the recreation of all things right. 424 00:27:53.100 --> 00:27:54.900 Dr. 425 00:27:54.900 --> 00:27:55.300 Schmidt, 426 00:27:56.800 --> 00:28:00.200 you know our Dean of the chapel Dean Burrison. 427 00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:06.100 This makes me think that this is the kind of thing where he would have 428 00:28:06.100 --> 00:28:11.500 us walking from window to window or on Good Friday set having the 429 00:28:11.500 --> 00:28:34.800 chapel focused on that window. Do you think Burrison. He's got ideas on how he is going to use it. 430 00:28:34.800 --> 00:28:46.400 How does it intersect with worship. Talk about that. It's a total psychosomatic experience , immersion. 431 00:28:46.400 --> 00:28:50.200 Right now this is one of the disadvantages as much as we all love and I think 432 00:28:50.200 --> 00:28:54.300 it's fairly uniform the people appreciate the clear glass which is why 433 00:28:54.300 --> 00:28:56.700 it's important to have transparent 434 00:28:56.800 --> 00:29:02.100 glass in the new stained-glass, but unless you're focusing on 435 00:29:02.100 --> 00:29:04.900 creation, which is certainly appropriate in there were times when we 436 00:29:04.900 --> 00:29:05.200 do that. 437 00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:10.400 We should do it more often than we do now, but it's difficult for the 438 00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:13.900 rearrange, you know chairs or go sit in the transept and look out the 439 00:29:13.900 --> 00:29:17.600 windows people would be distracted and maybe not in the most 440 00:29:17.600 --> 00:29:21.800 beneficial way. But we could you know, for instance often we conduct 441 00:29:21.800 --> 00:29:26.300 our Taize services and we Gather in one of the transepts we can 442 00:29:26.300 --> 00:29:30.400 certainly do that in relationship to the the crucifixion window during 443 00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:34.700 during Lent for or the the exultation window during the end of the 444 00:29:34.700 --> 00:29:34.900 church year 445 00:29:34.900 --> 00:29:38.900 some things of that nature. We can also which is something I've 446 00:29:38.900 --> 00:29:42.300 been trying to do more regularly and we need to do this this year. 447 00:29:42.300 --> 00:29:48.700 But gather the chance the whole assembly gather in the chancel and 448 00:29:48.700 --> 00:29:52.000 receive the Lord's Supper in the chancel, you know, as a as a 449 00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:53.000 community receive it together. 450 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:56.100 I mean the power of that in relationships the resurrection window 451 00:29:56.100 --> 00:29:56.400 would be significant. 452 00:29:56.800 --> 00:30:09.200 Yeah there's a lot of things we can do we can focus on the Te Deum and singing and move around 453 00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:11.900 the windows to the other a lot of possibilities for we could to do. 454 00:30:11.900 --> 00:30:22.900 I may regret asking that question. You said in the committee that is the 455 00:30:22.900 --> 00:30:26.500 vice-president Louis sits on the committee and Facilities director 456 00:30:26.500 --> 00:30:30.500 Martin Hauge sits on the committee because they have to deal with a 457 00:30:30.500 --> 00:30:34.500 lot of the logistics of installation. Which window comes in first? 458 00:30:34.500 --> 00:30:39.800 So the chancel of window will be installed first and we hope that 459 00:30:39.800 --> 00:30:43.700 indications from Lynchburg are that it's likely that it will be 460 00:30:43.700 --> 00:30:46.400 installed in March. In March now. 461 00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:46.900 Okay. 462 00:30:46.900 --> 00:30:53.500 There's also a Hope on Lynchburg part that the to transit to trancept 463 00:30:53.500 --> 00:30:55.200 windows could be installed shortly thereafter, 464 00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:56.700 so sometime in March 465 00:30:56.700 --> 00:30:59.900 or April potentially that's their hope. 466 00:30:59.900 --> 00:31:03.400 So by the end of the school year those three front windows would 467 00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:10.500 be done and then the subsequent year. And even theoretically I think it's 468 00:31:10.500 --> 00:31:13.900 possible that they could all still be installed before the Symposium. 469 00:31:13.900 --> 00:31:20.100 Lynchburg wants to work on the design with Mr. 470 00:31:20.100 --> 00:31:22.600 Buswell of the nave windows. 471 00:31:22.600 --> 00:31:28.500 While, well over the coming next two months December, January 472 00:31:28.500 --> 00:31:34.100 and February, but then also then be while there installing the transept 473 00:31:34.100 --> 00:31:37.000 chancel transept windows to be constructing the nave windows. 474 00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:42.400 So it's there's still the possibility that we could have them all in I 475 00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:46.500 mean no guarantees, but it's possible. Well there will be enough in 476 00:31:46.500 --> 00:31:47.100 certainly 477 00:31:47.800 --> 00:31:50.200 for the benefit of the Symposium. 478 00:31:50.200 --> 00:31:55.900 Are we going to put up a website talkin about this project? 479 00:31:55.900 --> 00:31:58.100 We already have one. We do have one. 480 00:31:58.100 --> 00:31:59.500 Yes, okay tell us about that. 481 00:31:59.500 --> 00:32:05.200 So right now that it describes the process to this point it has that 482 00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:07.100 slow video or whatever it's 483 00:32:07.100 --> 00:32:12.200 it's called of the removal of the of the St. Timothy and St. Titus window 484 00:32:12.200 --> 00:32:16.800 and it will then additional materials will be posted there when we 485 00:32:16.800 --> 00:32:20.400 have the videos from Lynchburg only have commentary on the Windows 486 00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:22.900 when the windows are installed pictures photos excetera. 487 00:32:22.900 --> 00:32:27.100 All that will go up on the website is our Communications Department is 488 00:32:27.100 --> 00:32:32.800 is taking charge of of developing that. And there's a rationale for 489 00:32:32.800 --> 00:32:39.300 for some of the things we talked about earlier early in the interview for the 490 00:32:39.300 --> 00:32:43.300 removal the Timothy and Titus window for the rationale for why we're 491 00:32:43.300 --> 00:32:46.900 providing you stained glass windows as a result of this gift from the 492 00:32:46.900 --> 00:32:47.800 trust of the Finky's. 493 00:32:47.800 --> 00:32:49.900 Some things like that are already up on the website. 494 00:32:49.900 --> 00:32:54.500 So wrapping up our time together, which I've thoroughly enjoyed and we 495 00:32:54.500 --> 00:32:56.500 have had some humor first prize. 496 00:32:59.600 --> 00:33:04.300 For each of you personally what has it meant to serve on this 497 00:33:04.300 --> 00:33:08.300 committee and to be in this project at just did a personal level. 498 00:33:08.300 --> 00:33:10.300 The largest 499 00:33:10.300 --> 00:33:16.700 I'm thrilled because of the because of the emphasis on Christ and the 500 00:33:16.700 --> 00:33:18.300 beauty of the design. 501 00:33:18.300 --> 00:33:27.900 I mean just the the way this artist can can can evoke Wonder as you 502 00:33:27.900 --> 00:33:32.000 think about the death Resurrection return of Christ is is really 503 00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:37.900 amazing and thinking about worshiping with that surrounding us 504 00:33:37.900 --> 00:33:42.300 I'm looking forward to that and it's been it's been a 505 00:33:42.300 --> 00:33:46.300 privilege to to hear and to think about ways in which you could betray 506 00:33:46.300 --> 00:33:51.900 this and so that it can help you proclaim it and enact it and worship. 507 00:33:51.900 --> 00:33:52.100 508 00:33:52.900 --> 00:33:58.600 And for you, yeah, I mean for me I was here as a student when the new 509 00:33:58.600 --> 00:34:04.400 Chapel was built and so Dean Brauer who came I was on our committee 510 00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:07.500 became dean of the chapel when I was a student. 511 00:34:07.500 --> 00:34:09.800 I took number of courses from him. 512 00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:16.199 So he was influential my own formation and development and am I 513 00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:18.300 interest in matters of liturgy. 514 00:34:18.300 --> 00:34:22.199 So be having cross that threshold from the old auditorium into the new 515 00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:26.600 chapel and now being able to participate in this project that 516 00:34:26.600 --> 00:34:32.500 beautifies this building that has brought great personal satisfaction 517 00:34:32.500 --> 00:34:37.900 to me and knowing the kinds of things that it will contribute to the 518 00:34:37.900 --> 00:34:41.300 formation of our students into formation of our own piety as you as 519 00:34:41.300 --> 00:34:47.900 you indicated. The beauty and emphasizing the the role of beauty in the 520 00:34:47.900 --> 00:34:50.900 artistic beauty in forming in shaping. 521 00:34:50.900 --> 00:34:52.400 Our own life of faith is 522 00:34:52.900 --> 00:34:55.100 something has been important to me personally. 523 00:34:55.100 --> 00:34:59.800 So to be able to participate in this project in that way brings 524 00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:03.300 immense satisfaction. For me personally 525 00:35:03.300 --> 00:35:10.700 I, mean two things, I grew up with the misunderstanding that correct 526 00:35:10.700 --> 00:35:16.200 faith is knowing the propositional Theology of the correct statements 527 00:35:16.200 --> 00:35:21.400 and I'm not putting the statements down because those of those Crews 528 00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:26.300 of Faith are essential. But the wonderful thing about Chapel life here 529 00:35:26.300 --> 00:35:33.800 Concordia Seminary is it is total the music sometimes when the organ 530 00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:40.900 is loud and you can feel that now the windows as as you describe, wow, 531 00:35:40.900 --> 00:35:42.800 this is a totally 532 00:35:43.600 --> 00:35:50.100 consuming claim that the spirit of God has put on us. And the second 533 00:35:50.100 --> 00:35:53.700 thing that I personally am taking away from this is you know, I'm at 534 00:35:53.700 --> 00:35:59.900 that time of life where I must fade away from generation to 535 00:35:59.900 --> 00:36:00.100 generation. 536 00:36:00.100 --> 00:36:07.600 And when I retire when we all retire, wow, there will be pastor 537 00:36:07.600 --> 00:36:12.300 deaconesses and worshippers formed by what we were privileged to do. 538 00:36:12.300 --> 00:36:19.300 So that's it's just kind of aha wow. I want to thank both of you for being 539 00:36:19.300 --> 00:36:23.200 with us has been a delightful discussion and I certainly hope that 540 00:36:23.200 --> 00:36:28.600 sooner or later you will come visit Concordia Seminary and see the new 541 00:36:28.600 --> 00:36:32.000 windows are not here yet, but they will be coming. 542 00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:34.100 Thank you for joining us. 543 00:36:34.100 --> 00:36:35.400 I'm Dale Meyer. 544 00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:39.700 This is been Word and Work an Intersection and may the intersection of 545 00:36:39.700 --> 00:36:40.600 word and work. 546 00:36:40.600 --> 00:36:42.200 Be busy on your corner.