WEBVTT 1 00:00:24.200 --> 00:00:28.100 Hello, and welcome to Word and Work an Intersection. 2 00:00:28.100 --> 00:00:29.700 I'm your host Dale Meyer. 3 00:00:31.200 --> 00:00:36.600 This program again is virtual, and I'm pleased to welcome to Word and 4 00:00:36.600 --> 00:00:41.000 Work Heather Choate Davis, and she's going to tell us about a new 5 00:00:41.000 --> 00:00:47.700 album that she has produced. And I listen to it this morning, and I 6 00:00:47.700 --> 00:00:52.800 found it very peaceful, but also very contemplatively. 7 00:00:52.800 --> 00:00:57.100 So I'm eager to talk with you Heather about this. 8 00:00:57.100 --> 00:00:58.200 Thank you for joining us today. Oh, thank you for having me Dale. This si so nice to discuss this. 9 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:06.500 Tell us about the project how it started and 10 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:14.100 what it's about? It's a really interesting new season in my life. 11 00:01:14.100 --> 00:01:17.600 You know, I've always been a writer for you know, since I was in my 12 00:01:17.600 --> 00:01:21.200 late teens always a writer in every different kind of form but never 13 00:01:21.200 --> 00:01:21.700 music. 14 00:01:21.700 --> 00:01:23.100 I didn't play instruments. 15 00:01:23.100 --> 00:01:25.700 I didn't sing in a choir. I couldn't read music 16 00:01:25.700 --> 00:01:31.700 I didn't know anything. And all of a sudden I started hearing songs and 17 00:01:31.700 --> 00:01:35.400 you know the way sometimes you'll hear a little idea for a sermon or a 18 00:01:35.400 --> 00:01:38.800 way to phrase something that's not unusual for a writer to have that 19 00:01:38.800 --> 00:01:42.300 you put can you write it down. But this was coming in with full 20 00:01:42.300 --> 00:01:47.300 melodies and choruses and I thought what am I going to do with this. 21 00:01:47.300 --> 00:01:50.500 And so I kind of sat with it at that was doing other things and 22 00:01:50.500 --> 00:01:53.300 occasionally, I'd ask a musician friend like maybe you can help me. 23 00:01:53.300 --> 00:01:53.800 Oh, yeah. 24 00:01:53.800 --> 00:01:53.900 Yeah. 25 00:01:53.900 --> 00:01:57.300 Yeah, but you know people are busy dad their lives and their own music 26 00:01:57.300 --> 00:02:00.200 and finally there was one song in particular the first song in the 27 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:04.900 album that I just felt so certain that I had to birth one way or the 28 00:02:04.900 --> 00:02:08.000 other that I said, I'm going to start learning piano 29 00:02:07.900 --> 00:02:11.900 and composition and music notation and theory so that I can 30 00:02:11.900 --> 00:02:17.000 birth this song. And I you know, I found a wonderful teacher someone 31 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:20.900 has been on our street teaching a neighbor for 15 years and he started 32 00:02:20.900 --> 00:02:22.900 teaching me in that was only eighteen months ago. 33 00:02:22.900 --> 00:02:28.500 We sat down like with my lesson and as I started writing this song the 34 00:02:28.500 --> 00:02:32.100 first one and learning and scales and the whole thing and more and more 35 00:02:32.100 --> 00:02:36.500 and more song started coming and suddenly I realized like what am I 36 00:02:36.500 --> 00:02:37.200 going to do with these? 37 00:02:37.200 --> 00:02:41.400 I don't sing you wouldn't want to hear me sing any of these songs. 38 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:45.000 I don't even play any of them well enough in time. 39 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:48.700 So I thought I how do I get them out in the world? 40 00:02:48.700 --> 00:02:50.900 Why is it why am I being given this songs? 41 00:02:50.900 --> 00:02:55.900 And so I realized I know a lot of musician friends really talented 42 00:02:55.900 --> 00:02:59.900 people and I'm going to ask each person to sing one and it kind of 43 00:02:59.900 --> 00:03:03.200 seemed like each song was set aside for someone and they were 44 00:03:03.200 --> 00:03:03.900 delighted. 45 00:03:03.900 --> 00:03:07.900 It was as much a gift to them to do it as it was for me to receive it. 46 00:03:07.900 --> 00:03:10.200 And so it was just and that's how we did it. 47 00:03:10.200 --> 00:03:13.400 I saw it's an album is going to be an album and I was call people that 48 00:03:13.400 --> 00:03:14.300 I'm doing an album 49 00:03:14.300 --> 00:03:21.600 I have a song for you and what? Because they knew I was never a musician, any how its been a really remarkable journey. Cuz 50 00:03:21.600 --> 00:03:22.100 from the day 51 00:03:22.100 --> 00:03:24.100 I took my first lesson to the day 52 00:03:24.100 --> 00:03:25.600 the album was released 53 00:03:25.600 --> 00:03:31.900 it was 16 months. Wow, that's fascinating and a throwaway 54 00:03:31.900 --> 00:03:44.300 thought is maybe I should resurrect my accordion-playing. work. Oh yeah, I'm working on some new material now. Through out the course of todays Word and Work 55 00:03:44.300 --> 00:03:49.100 I do want to promote the value of your album. 56 00:03:49.100 --> 00:03:52.800 And one thing that you mentioned in passing just now. 57 00:03:54.000 --> 00:04:00.700 Is that preachers can pick up some ideas for sermons and Bible classes. 58 00:04:00.700 --> 00:04:06.000 As I listen to the texts not the music, but the text I thought you 59 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:11.900 know that will preach that will definitely preach. One example of that 60 00:04:11.900 --> 00:04:19.300 is the first piece on the album, which is "Enter Thou" no "Enter Here" excuse me 61 00:04:19.300 --> 00:04:20.300 "Enter Here." 62 00:04:20.300 --> 00:04:26.400 My first thought was this is an invitation to the listener to go to 63 00:04:26.400 --> 00:04:26.800 God. 64 00:04:27.800 --> 00:04:29.700 Exactly the opposite. 65 00:04:29.700 --> 00:04:33.400 It's a prayer to him to come to us. 66 00:04:33.400 --> 00:04:35.800 Could you talk about "Enter Here"? 67 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:40.200 "Enter Here" is another song 68 00:04:40.200 --> 00:04:45.000 I just heard the full verse on the first week that I started a 69 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:48.800 two-year program in Christian formation and spiritual direction. 70 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:52.300 I don't know if you know, I'm a certified spiritual director now. And 71 00:04:52.300 --> 00:04:56.200 after I send the table with all these people with these remarkable 72 00:04:56.200 --> 00:05:00.600 stories who wanted to commit their lives to helping people understand 73 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:04.500 their Christian walk and how complicated their stories were too much 74 00:05:04.500 --> 00:05:06.600 mess and pain there were their stories. 75 00:05:06.600 --> 00:05:09.900 I think I was just very sensitive to that and then I could just hear 76 00:05:09.900 --> 00:05:14.800 that song. And that was the song that made me want to learn piano do it 77 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:17.800 that song to stay with me and stay for two years before I actually was 78 00:05:17.800 --> 00:05:21.700 able to bring it off. Sing it everyday it was there and here's what 79 00:05:21.700 --> 00:05:25.900 you're going to love about that song my dear neighbor for 25 years, 80 00:05:25.900 --> 00:05:27.000 not a believer. 81 00:05:28.200 --> 00:05:32.200 But she's a beautiful singer and an actress and director, but I had it 82 00:05:32.200 --> 00:05:32.500 in my mind. 83 00:05:32.500 --> 00:05:36.900 Like I'm going to ask her to sing it just so I can hear it just like 84 00:05:36.900 --> 00:05:37.900 as a rehearsal exercise. 85 00:05:37.900 --> 00:05:41.000 I'm going to ask her to sing it so I can hear it. 86 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:45.600 But I have a feeling she's going to fall in love with it and she's 87 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:48.700 going to hear something in this and if that happens then I'm going to 88 00:05:48.700 --> 00:05:51.200 know that we are moving forward with us. 89 00:05:51.200 --> 00:05:55.900 And I finally got her over to listen to it and just listen to me kind 90 00:05:55.900 --> 00:06:00.700 of puddle with it and you know saying and within like 5 minutes or so 91 00:06:00.700 --> 00:06:01.000 my gosh. 92 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:02.700 Oh my gosh this amazing 93 00:06:02.700 --> 00:06:03.700 I can't get out of my head. 94 00:06:03.700 --> 00:06:07.500 She got her ex-husband on the phone who is in fabulous arranger and 95 00:06:07.500 --> 00:06:11.500 producer and they started working on it and will show the video. 96 00:06:11.500 --> 00:06:15.900 So she's in there singing her ex-husband's on the piano and our two 97 00:06:15.900 --> 00:06:18.700 neighbors who live in the garage in the space between us. 98 00:06:18.700 --> 00:06:24.700 None of them are believers and they all felt the pulse of this song 99 00:06:24.700 --> 00:06:27.800 and felt it so strongly that they wanted to be a part of supporting it and 100 00:06:28.200 --> 00:06:31.000 do all this work. And so this is when you're talking about things 101 00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:32.800 that'll preach. In a way 102 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:36.800 this is preaching out because yes, it's going to speak to the 103 00:06:36.800 --> 00:06:39.800 brokenhearted children inside the church and there are lots of them. 104 00:06:39.800 --> 00:06:43.200 But it also speaks to all the broken hearted children outside of the 105 00:06:43.200 --> 00:06:47.700 Church of a savior who meets them in their pain, you know, we start 106 00:06:47.700 --> 00:06:51.700 there. We want to be healed first before we're saved, right. Jesus went around 107 00:06:51.700 --> 00:06:55.700 he healed people they didn't come because they wanted to know God 108 00:06:55.700 --> 00:06:58.500 better they came because they had leprosy and they had problems. 109 00:06:58.500 --> 00:06:59.800 They wanted to be healed. 110 00:06:59.800 --> 00:07:04.000 So he they want that healing that beautiful gift and that promise it 111 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:06.900 will come to me invitation at the beginning of the album. 112 00:07:07.400 --> 00:07:08.900 So so let's 113 00:07:10.800 --> 00:07:15.800 push the pause button on the conversation and just lean back and enjoy 114 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:17.300 "Enter Here." 115 00:07:50.600 --> 00:07:58.300 All the broken-hearted children Grown up now and trying to hide. Shards and shames we never asked for Ancient pain still deep inside 116 00:07:58.300 --> 00:08:27.700 Enter here The Wounded Savior Enter here Where we were lost Enter here Our one true Father Take us home now Whole enough 117 00:08:42.900 --> 00:08:52.900 All our longings for a freedom Our desires can never grant 118 00:08:52.900 --> 00:08:56.800 Grips and grandeurs Of our making 119 00:08:58.300 --> 00:09:02.800 From dead-end paths We cry “I can’t!” Enter here The Wounded Savior 120 00:09:08.500 --> 00:09:22.000 Enter here Where we were lost Enter here Our one true Father Take us home now Whole enough 121 00:09:51.300 --> 00:09:55.100 All the ways you long to grace us 122 00:09:56.500 --> 00:10:00.800 With a love too wide to bear 123 00:10:02.600 --> 00:10:10.600 Tears and toils From all man’s failures Lose their sting In Christ’s dear care. 124 00:10:12.700 --> 00:10:32.700 Enter here The Wounded Savior Enter here Where we were lost Enter here Our one true Father Take us home now Whole enough 125 00:10:33.700 --> 00:10:43.700 Enter here The Wounded Savior Enter here Where we were lost 126 00:10:43.700 --> 00:10:47.800 Enter here Our one true Father Take us home now Whole enough 127 00:10:54.700 --> 00:10:57.800 Take us home now Whole enough 128 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:01.300 Take us home 129 00:11:03.100 --> 00:11:08.600 now Whole enough 130 00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:20.500 Well, that was great and I'm going to enjoy listening to this again 131 00:11:20.500 --> 00:11:26.700 and again and again. Tell me about shards and shames in that song. 132 00:11:26.700 --> 00:11:34.200 Well it's in the opening line and I think each of us carries within us shards meaning 133 00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:40.000 broken fragments of pain and brokenness both at our own life story and 134 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:42.200 our family story in our communal story. 135 00:11:42.200 --> 00:11:45.700 But then of course all the way back to the original story to the 136 00:11:45.700 --> 00:11:50.000 original brokenness and then shames things were ashamed of in our 137 00:11:50.000 --> 00:11:57.300 lives. And those things I believe are really the source of where our 138 00:11:57.300 --> 00:12:01.500 our tendency to sin is going to be it's going to be in trying to fix 139 00:12:01.500 --> 00:12:05.400 those or heal those or protect those. Oh if I'm just rich enough or 140 00:12:05.400 --> 00:12:10.000 powerful enough or if I get enough chocolate or if whatever then 141 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:11.500 that thing won't hurt anymore. 142 00:12:11.500 --> 00:12:12.900 So you know 143 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:16.300 we both are fans in this image of the man turn into himself. I think were 144 00:12:16.300 --> 00:12:22.200 we turn is when we're trying to cover up or heal those things on our 145 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:27.200 own and so that's what those shards in shames speak to and I think it 146 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:28.400 speaks to all people. 147 00:12:29.900 --> 00:12:34.800 If I can put on my professors cap. Please. One of the things that I have 148 00:12:34.800 --> 00:12:40.100 learned in the last years is that we in western civilization think in 149 00:12:40.100 --> 00:12:45.200 terms of guilt and innocence and so we preachers talk about 150 00:12:45.200 --> 00:12:51.700 forgiveness for sin. 80% of the world doesn't think that way most of 151 00:12:51.700 --> 00:12:56.100 the world thinks in terms of shame and honor and that is increasingly 152 00:12:56.100 --> 00:12:58.800 becoming part of American culture. 153 00:12:58.800 --> 00:13:05.000 And so here is another contemporary touchpoint of theology with the 154 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:08.300 world today talking about shards and shame. 155 00:13:08.300 --> 00:13:09.100 I love it. 156 00:13:09.100 --> 00:13:09.900 I love it. 157 00:13:09.900 --> 00:13:13.800 You got a song called "Fear Not." 158 00:13:14.700 --> 00:13:17.000 Well, that's a great loss statement. 159 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:22.100 You shouldn't be afraid don't fear and you know our kind of clerical 160 00:13:22.100 --> 00:13:22.600 guys. 161 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:25.000 You shouldn't fear what we are afraid. 162 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:26.300 So talk about that song 163 00:13:26.300 --> 00:13:30.100 if you would please Heather? That is actually the very very first song 164 00:13:30.100 --> 00:13:30.800 I ever heard. 165 00:13:30.800 --> 00:13:32.000 I heard it in the shower. 166 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:36.000 You know where all our best work is done. Blake Flatly 167 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:38.600 I don't know if you've met him before he's one of our great Lutheran 168 00:13:38.600 --> 00:13:43.300 contemporary theologians and MSR songwriters, but he also a 169 00:13:43.300 --> 00:13:47.000 theologian. But he he has a thing called communion arts and 170 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:51.500 he had been hired through the Michigan District to write an original 171 00:13:51.500 --> 00:13:56.800 liturgy and he asked me if I would do it with him. And I didn't know 172 00:13:56.800 --> 00:13:59.100 what part I was supposed to do and he said just you know, 173 00:13:59.100 --> 00:14:02.100 the language in the shape and give it a texture cuz he knew I had an 174 00:14:02.100 --> 00:14:06.000 original liturgies years before. And they were very artistic and kind 175 00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:09.400 of spoke to maybe a modern person who it didn't know about church 176 00:14:09.400 --> 00:14:09.800 life. 177 00:14:09.800 --> 00:14:14.000 And so he asked me to do this at all of a sudden 178 00:14:14.800 --> 00:14:15.900 we need a song. 179 00:14:15.900 --> 00:14:18.900 We need song to start out in and none of the old public domain 180 00:14:18.900 --> 00:14:22.000 songs are going to say what I think needs to be said in this day about 181 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:24.300 fear not and then I just heard it right. 182 00:14:24.300 --> 00:14:29.800 I want to know what angels knew when they said fear not I want to see 183 00:14:29.800 --> 00:14:33.200 what they saw when they claimed it. I could hear it with the melody in 184 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:33.500 the whole thing. 185 00:14:33.500 --> 00:14:36.500 And I'm like ran out without my towel on 186 00:14:36.500 --> 00:14:37.900 I'm trying to figure out how to write it down. 187 00:14:37.900 --> 00:14:42.900 And I think the idea of that is this. I don't hear if you're not at all 188 00:14:42.900 --> 00:14:47.100 is a as law. I hear it in the way cuz when an angel shows up in your 189 00:14:47.100 --> 00:14:50.500 life, whether it's a messenger in the human form or something else 190 00:14:50.500 --> 00:14:54.200 more supernatural some of their kind of theophany whatever. Whatever 191 00:14:54.200 --> 00:14:57.100 kind of angel it is and we know all throughout the Bible there 192 00:14:57.100 --> 00:15:01.000 lots of they always say fear not because they know our first encounter 193 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:05.500 with the sure power of God is you're going to be afraid. But not in the way you and I are 194 00:15:05.500 --> 00:15:09.200 afraid in the world right now, but that kind of fear, but they always 195 00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:12.800 say if you're not why because the angel already knows the end of the 196 00:15:12.800 --> 00:15:14.600 story. The Angel already 197 00:15:14.700 --> 00:15:18.300 knows how it's going to turn out and the angel knows they've been sent 198 00:15:18.300 --> 00:15:21.600 to you because they're going to say you're now going to be called to 199 00:15:21.600 --> 00:15:22.600 do something difficult. 200 00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:26.200 It's going to be painful or hard or awkward or uncomfortable. 201 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:29.500 It's not something you're likely going to want to do or have to endure 202 00:15:29.500 --> 00:15:34.500 but I'm here to tell you fear not and I think we all need that 203 00:15:34.500 --> 00:15:34.900 message. 204 00:15:34.900 --> 00:15:38.100 I can't tell you how many people I've heard from who aren't church people 205 00:15:38.100 --> 00:15:41.400 who say oh that song is such a comfort to me right now. 206 00:15:41.400 --> 00:15:43.000 Well you know what again 207 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:46.700 we're being able to plant seeds of what the gospel really is through 208 00:15:46.700 --> 00:15:47.000 language. 209 00:15:47.000 --> 00:15:50.700 That isn't necessarily worship language is not traditional worship. 210 00:15:50.700 --> 00:15:53.500 It's not these none of these really fit in the category of 211 00:15:53.500 --> 00:15:57.100 contemporary worship because they're not praise songs. They are songs of 212 00:15:57.100 --> 00:16:04.400 invitation and pointing to the one that saves us. You made a point 213 00:16:04.400 --> 00:16:08.200 that I think is worthy of of at least a footnote. 214 00:16:09.100 --> 00:16:15.100 Public domain religious music is easy to use because the copyright 215 00:16:15.100 --> 00:16:16.000 is gone. 216 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:19.600 And I find that I'm always if I'm going to quote something is this 217 00:16:19.600 --> 00:16:20.700 public domain or not? 218 00:16:20.700 --> 00:16:25.400 One of the problems with public domain music is we've heard it so 219 00:16:25.400 --> 00:16:28.900 often the words lose their impact. 220 00:16:28.900 --> 00:16:34.400 I think of the first hymn "Enter Here". First thing that popped 221 00:16:34.400 --> 00:16:39.500 into my head was "Open now, thy Gates of beauty Zion, let me enter in", 222 00:16:39.500 --> 00:16:44.200 okay. I've sung that so many times that the words don't have the 223 00:16:44.200 --> 00:16:48.600 freshness even though it there, but it's so familiar that the 224 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:49.600 freshness isn't there. 225 00:16:49.600 --> 00:16:55.900 So so these creative efforts that you're sharing with all of us a 226 00:16:55.900 --> 00:17:01.600 really help in the spiritual development of us of all of us fearful people. 227 00:17:01.600 --> 00:17:02.700 Okay. 228 00:17:02.700 --> 00:17:05.000 Let's hear "Fear not". 229 00:17:19.300 --> 00:17:48.600 I want to know what angels knew when they said fear not! I want to see what they saw when they claimed it. I want to feel in my heart the sure quaking of His power in my life and cry out fear not! 230 00:17:50.000 --> 00:18:07.300 Fear not! Fear not! Fear not! Fear not! Fear not! 231 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:28.300 I want to stand on that ground where His people cry fear not! I want to hear what they heard when they tell me. That the God who brings life 232 00:18:28.300 --> 00:18:37.300 where there is no life at all has a Call for my life. Fear not! 233 00:18:40.100 --> 00:18:59.800 Fear not! Fear not! Fear not! Fear not! Now I want to tell of His grace 234 00:18:59.900 --> 00:19:09.600 to the faces lined with fear I want to live passing on what He gave me 235 00:19:09.600 --> 00:19:26.800 His only son on a hill being killed for one and all, the word alive inside the call, fear not! 236 00:19:26.900 --> 00:19:39.400 Fear not! Fear not! Fear not! Fear not! 237 00:19:46.100 --> 00:19:50.600 One of your songs is with someone called Mason Vieth. 238 00:19:52.500 --> 00:20:00.900 I happen to know Mason. Mason tell us about Mason how you met him when 239 00:20:00.900 --> 00:20:03.900 he does and the peace when you fall. 240 00:20:04.500 --> 00:20:11.300 Mason is just a doll as you know, I met Mason the day that I presented 241 00:20:11.300 --> 00:20:13.900 "Man Turned into Himself" at the sem. 242 00:20:13.900 --> 00:20:16.900 And you came to that you came rushing in you've been speaking 243 00:20:16.900 --> 00:20:17.500 somewhere 244 00:20:17.500 --> 00:20:20.300 you came in about halfway through and stood in the back and room was 245 00:20:20.300 --> 00:20:22.200 packed and I was so honored that you were there. 246 00:20:22.200 --> 00:20:25.400 That's what I ended up giving you the "Man Turned into Himself" book 247 00:20:25.400 --> 00:20:26.900 and you became a big devotee. 248 00:20:26.900 --> 00:20:30.900 So I met Mason that day he posted that just the most beautiful and 249 00:20:30.900 --> 00:20:33.600 encouraging little Facebook thing about my presentation. 250 00:20:33.600 --> 00:20:37.600 And I was so moved that he had done that and so I just kind of reached out 251 00:20:37.600 --> 00:20:40.700 and then he and I became pen pals and when it anytime I'm in St. 252 00:20:40.700 --> 00:20:43.400 Louis we have coffee and then we would chat, you know once a month 253 00:20:43.400 --> 00:20:46.200 because we found we had some really common interest. 254 00:20:46.200 --> 00:20:47.600 He loves icons. 255 00:20:47.600 --> 00:20:49.900 He loves all the Eastern Orthodox icons. 256 00:20:49.900 --> 00:20:54.900 He has a heart for that kind of art and beauty and high beauty and also 257 00:20:54.900 --> 00:20:58.500 like the chant refrains that you would have in compline. 258 00:20:58.500 --> 00:21:01.300 We both love compline, you know, so we would talk about those things. 259 00:21:01.300 --> 00:21:04.200 And so when I wrote this one little chant refrain, 260 00:21:04.400 --> 00:21:09.700 it's so simple that really grounds the whole album right in the spoken 261 00:21:09.700 --> 00:21:10.900 gospel right there. 262 00:21:10.900 --> 00:21:15.000 I just knew I would have him sing it. I had seen on his Instagram 263 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:15.400 page. 264 00:21:15.400 --> 00:21:20.300 He did a fan of the Lord's Prayer and he has this glorious voice and it's so 265 00:21:20.300 --> 00:21:24.300 pure and so, you know, just gifted know he hits the notes. And he 266 00:21:24.300 --> 00:21:29.400 I asked him he was so thrilled and he did a beautiful job and 267 00:21:29.400 --> 00:21:30.000 he was so cute. 268 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:33.800 He would write me Heather on trending on Spotify, you know, he was 269 00:21:33.800 --> 00:21:39.700 so excited and it was really neat. And so I paired that the introduction 270 00:21:39.700 --> 00:21:42.900 is are the bells the church bells of Taize in France. 271 00:21:42.900 --> 00:21:43.500 All right. 272 00:21:43.500 --> 00:21:47.100 What I wanted to create the effect of that is as if you were walking 273 00:21:47.100 --> 00:21:50.400 into the Public Square where they used to be, you know a square and a 274 00:21:50.400 --> 00:21:54.800 cathedral in the bells ringing the church being present in the life of 275 00:21:54.800 --> 00:21:59.200 the the town of the city of the activity. And as if you can hear the 276 00:21:59.200 --> 00:22:03.700 sound I had the producers cut it mix it so that it would be loud and 277 00:22:03.700 --> 00:22:04.300 then you would draw 278 00:22:04.400 --> 00:22:07.400 in like someone maybe was going into the church as they heard a voice 279 00:22:07.400 --> 00:22:10.800 they wanted to hear like, oh what's going on maybe he's rehearsing. 280 00:22:10.800 --> 00:22:14.700 And then he's just doing that one beautiful line and then after that 281 00:22:14.700 --> 00:22:17.500 so you leave to the other side of the square you got this kind of 282 00:22:17.500 --> 00:22:20.900 Barrio music, which is really cool, but we'll talk about that later. 283 00:22:20.900 --> 00:22:26.000 So Mason did a great job and it's really spoken to people but again 284 00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:30.700 the thing I like so much about this one line and actually comes from 285 00:22:30.700 --> 00:22:35.300 the Theologian Olivia Clemente, but he uses that imagery and when you 286 00:22:35.300 --> 00:22:40.200 fall and cry out in full confidence, you will not fall into the abyss 287 00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:47.900 but into the hands of him who has opened his arms for all-time upon 288 00:22:47.900 --> 00:22:48.300 the cross. 289 00:22:48.300 --> 00:22:51.800 So, you know me and my teaching, what does that come back to man 290 00:22:51.800 --> 00:22:52.000 turned in. 291 00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:56.100 You know you're going to fall into these hands of the one who has 292 00:22:56.100 --> 00:23:00.600 opened his arms, what what an invitation, you know, we don't hear the 293 00:23:00.600 --> 00:23:02.100 gospel like that much anymore. For the benefit of our audience 294 00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:10.600 who may not know man turned in just just tell us briefly the concept 295 00:23:10.600 --> 00:23:17.300 and your book? "Man Turned In" was my thesis work and in a nutshell. 296 00:23:17.300 --> 00:23:21.500 What we're really talking about is is that was Luther's understanding 297 00:23:21.500 --> 00:23:26.700 of sin homo incurvatus in se and he said man, we are like this when 298 00:23:26.700 --> 00:23:32.500 we are meant to live like this man turned out. And so there's a simple explanation. 299 00:23:32.500 --> 00:23:42.300 Well that is. Man turned in is an adult in a fetal position totally scared and the gospel is fear 300 00:23:42.300 --> 00:23:48.700 not you can turn outward and and as Mason's song said the Taize 301 00:23:48.700 --> 00:23:51.800 you know you fall into the hands of God not into the abyss. 302 00:23:51.800 --> 00:23:52.700 Yes. 303 00:23:52.700 --> 00:23:53.700 Let's listen to it. 304 00:23:53.700 --> 00:23:54.600 Let's listen to it now. 305 00:24:25.900 --> 00:24:33.500 When you fall and cry out in 306 00:24:48.100 --> 00:24:59.900 full confidence you will not fall into the Abyss but into the hands of Him who has opened His arms for all time upon the cross. 307 00:25:05.600 --> 00:25:12.300 This is inspiring. Oh I'm glad. And just as the preacher in me is going to get a lot 308 00:25:12.300 --> 00:25:16.600 of sermon and devotional material for my speaking in my writing. 309 00:25:16.600 --> 00:25:25.000 Where can we get life in the "Key of God"? Anywhere you buy or stream 310 00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:26.400 music. If your a streaming 311 00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:30.800 person you can go to Spotify or Pandora or Apple Music or Amazon 312 00:25:30.800 --> 00:25:35.800 music. If you're an old-fashioned CD person, you can also get it on 313 00:25:35.800 --> 00:25:40.300 Amazon where you go in CDs and vinyl or some people are starting to 314 00:25:40.300 --> 00:25:44.400 do group studies coming out you're indicating if they buy in bulk, you 315 00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:47.000 know, they want to do a group thing at their church. 316 00:25:47.000 --> 00:25:51.200 Then you can just write to me directly on my website Heather Choate Davis. 317 00:25:51.200 --> 00:25:54.900 com and I can send you a bunch of physical CDs and we do it that way. 318 00:25:54.900 --> 00:25:59.700 But it's pretty much anywhere you would buy or stream music. Well this has tremendous 319 00:25:59.700 --> 00:26:04.600 potential on any number of counts. We promised you a short break. Here it is. 320 00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:09.500 Concordia Seminary St. 321 00:26:09.500 --> 00:26:14.300 Louis provides continuing education resources for pastors and lay 322 00:26:14.300 --> 00:26:19.400 people to discover all the Concordia Seminary has for you visit us on 323 00:26:19.400 --> 00:26:21.900 the web at CSL. 324 00:26:21.900 --> 00:26:22.700 EDU. 325 00:32:00.100 --> 00:32:03.300 Welcome back to Word and Work an Intersection. 326 00:32:03.300 --> 00:32:06.300 I'm your host Dale Meyer. Today 327 00:32:06.300 --> 00:32:10.700 we're discussing a great new music project with Heather Choate Davis. 328 00:32:10.700 --> 00:32:13.900 It's called "Life in the Key of God". 329 00:32:15.500 --> 00:32:20.100 When we came back from the break you were hearing "Wide". 330 00:32:20.100 --> 00:32:27.000 So Heather tell us about "Wide" especially what is a wide life. Well see you just 331 00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:30.800 did it with your arms and everything for me is always going to be 332 00:32:30.800 --> 00:32:36.700 anchored in this core theology and a wide life I learned I didn't get 333 00:32:36.700 --> 00:32:39.000 to do Hebrew or Greek in our master's program. 334 00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:40.500 It wasn't part of the MA if 335 00:32:40.500 --> 00:32:41.700 you're just a lay person. 336 00:32:41.700 --> 00:32:56.400 But anytime I grabbed a nugget, especially from the Hebrew, it's just so rich. I wish I really get every little word and when I was researching the 337 00:32:56.400 --> 00:33:00.500 word salvation and saved and some of that language when I was doing 338 00:33:00.500 --> 00:33:06.400 "Man Turned In" research and I got to that saved and that root for saved 339 00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:12.400 is the word yassa. And one of the main means as you know, Hebrew has 340 00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:14.400 lots of different meanings under certain words. 341 00:33:15.600 --> 00:33:22.300 One of the primary meaning of yassa is to make wide and I thought if 342 00:33:22.300 --> 00:33:27.600 you're telling me that the root of the meaning of salvation is to be 343 00:33:27.600 --> 00:33:28.200 made 344 00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:30.900 wide. You go yassa, 345 00:33:30.900 --> 00:33:37.700 Yeshua, Jesus to make wide do you think that's what people hear 346 00:33:37.700 --> 00:33:41.300 who aren't in the church when someone says, how about the Christian 347 00:33:41.300 --> 00:33:41.600 Life? 348 00:33:41.600 --> 00:33:44.000 You think they're like, oh, yeah, that'll be really wide no. 349 00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:50.100 They think it's going to be tight narrow, rigid but we're saying no, it's 350 00:33:50.100 --> 00:33:54.500 an invitation to know who you are who you were created by God to be to 351 00:33:54.500 --> 00:34:00.100 use your gifts in all their fullness and to be made free from the 352 00:34:00.100 --> 00:34:03.100 burden of those shards and shames knowing that you were loved and 353 00:34:03.100 --> 00:34:04.600 forgiven by our savior. 354 00:34:04.600 --> 00:34:06.200 Yassa. 355 00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:09.300 Yeshua, Jesus the through line is right there. 356 00:34:09.300 --> 00:34:13.900 And so that is a wide life and it's like you did that gesture. 357 00:34:15.600 --> 00:34:22.000 It's the opposite of man turned in on himself exactly the opposite. My memory 358 00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:26.600 work reminds me the Advent hymn "fling wide the portals of your heart". A 359 00:34:26.600 --> 00:34:31.700 Christian Life is expensive because we don't have to be afraid. We 360 00:34:31.700 --> 00:34:37.300 don't have to be afraid and and we can go into situations. 361 00:34:37.300 --> 00:34:41.200 We shouldn't be foolish of course, but we can go into a lot of 362 00:34:41.200 --> 00:34:48.290 situations with a confidence that yeah life is wide. 363 00:34:48.290 --> 00:34:51.900 I'm experiencing this and I'm I'm bringing a message that great. 364 00:34:51.900 --> 00:34:56.100 Tell me something that that for those of us who aren't as musical 365 00:34:56.100 --> 00:34:59.200 "Life in the Key of God." 366 00:34:59.200 --> 00:35:00.700 Is that a key? 367 00:35:01.300 --> 00:35:04.300 No, I know it's not explain that. It's a musical key. I don't know that. Along 25 years ago Stevie Wonder 368 00:35:10.900 --> 00:35:14.400 had an album called songs in the key of life. 369 00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:20.500 So I think that in my mind that seed was planted and when I came to 370 00:35:20.500 --> 00:35:23.300 title this I don't have the title just came to me and that's the only 371 00:35:23.300 --> 00:35:26.900 title there ever was. "Life in the Key of God" because we really are 372 00:35:26.900 --> 00:35:33.100 talking about God present in our everyday not some removed distant God 373 00:35:33.100 --> 00:35:37.800 but God who is here participating in all of this human experience with 374 00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:43.100 us. It's worthy of song besides the spoken words 375 00:35:43.100 --> 00:35:52.700 also the key of song. Now we've got Adelante and this piece is a 376 00:35:52.700 --> 00:35:53.300 little bit different. 377 00:35:53.300 --> 00:35:55.200 Can you set this up for us? I absolutely can. That song 378 00:35:55.200 --> 00:36:03.100 and it's really the whole story of the resurrection of the dying 379 00:36:03.100 --> 00:36:03.300 church, 380 00:36:03.300 --> 00:36:07.700 I'll tell you. That song came about because once I realized like the 381 00:36:07.700 --> 00:36:09.900 minute I realized that I was creating an album 382 00:36:09.900 --> 00:36:13.200 that I would have dear friends thing on and I think at that point I had 383 00:36:13.200 --> 00:36:14.200 about five songs. 384 00:36:14.200 --> 00:36:19.500 I suddenly thought I can't release an album like that without having a 385 00:36:19.500 --> 00:36:21.700 song for my worship team. 386 00:36:21.700 --> 00:36:25.500 Everyone on that album has my little worship team at my little church. 387 00:36:25.500 --> 00:36:27.500 I couldn't possibly do it there 388 00:36:27.500 --> 00:36:31.700 so central to my life and they're so gifted but then I thought I can't 389 00:36:31.700 --> 00:36:32.400 write for them. 390 00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:33.900 They're way too cool for me. 391 00:36:33.900 --> 00:36:38.700 Everything's all like Rhythm & Soul and I'm just learning and I have 392 00:36:38.700 --> 00:36:43.300 like a very Western kind of traditionally ear and how am I going to do 393 00:36:43.300 --> 00:36:43.500 that. 394 00:36:43.500 --> 00:36:44.600 I don't know how to do that. 395 00:36:44.600 --> 00:36:45.300 How am I going to do that? 396 00:36:45.300 --> 00:36:47.600 Literally as I'm sitting at the piano. 397 00:36:47.600 --> 00:36:48.500 How am I going to do that? 398 00:36:48.500 --> 00:36:55.400 I heard Adelante, Adelante and I knew what that meant because Adelante means 399 00:36:55.400 --> 00:37:01.500 keep going. And when we started replanting our little church in LA, you 400 00:37:01.500 --> 00:37:04.200 know, I don't know if you know, LA is a really big city, but of all 401 00:37:04.200 --> 00:37:07.900 the Lutheran Church in all of LA put together, we don't even have a 402 00:37:07.900 --> 00:37:09.700 thousand numbers may be like, you know, 403 00:37:09.900 --> 00:37:11.000 700 something like that. 404 00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:16.700 So I had been called into this tiny dying church that wanted to kind 405 00:37:16.700 --> 00:37:21.000 of die off and be replanted and we were in the process of replanting 406 00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:24.900 it. Which sometimes meant, you know, you had six people there praying. 407 00:37:24.900 --> 00:37:25.100 Like God 408 00:37:25.100 --> 00:37:25.900 what are we doing here? 409 00:37:25.900 --> 00:37:29.700 What are we doing here when it when is it going to change how and 410 00:37:29.700 --> 00:37:34.500 our president who was also an adult convert and really talented 411 00:37:34.500 --> 00:37:38.800 musician used to be like up here top of the charts, Ernie Chico Perez, 412 00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:44.000 he would always say to us Adelante, Adelante and every text I 413 00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:46.000 ever since that we've been replanting for 6 years, 414 00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:48.800 now. We would end our messages when we feel discouraged. 415 00:37:48.800 --> 00:37:53.400 We didn't know we're doing or try something Adelante keep going Adelante 416 00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:54.300 we still do that today. 417 00:37:54.300 --> 00:37:56.800 So that's central to our encouragement. 418 00:37:56.800 --> 00:38:00.000 It's a word of encouragement to the church, but the thing that you 419 00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:01.700 really love about this is 420 00:38:03.200 --> 00:38:06.800 Not even a year ago in February like 3 weeks before the quarantine. 421 00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:12.800 We had decided to create a community choir for outreach and we had a 422 00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:16.400 very talented choir director who just been brought to our door as we 423 00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:19.000 were serving meals to the homeless and she wanted to participate in 424 00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:24.700 that. And so we created this community choir and we embedded like six 425 00:38:24.700 --> 00:38:28.300 members into the things that we just trusted that Jesus would do his 426 00:38:28.300 --> 00:38:28.800 work to that. 427 00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:32.100 Well, we went onto Zoom thinking it will die 428 00:38:32.100 --> 00:38:36.200 like we can't do choir rehearsal and Zoom. Well we grew and we grew 429 00:38:36.200 --> 00:38:36.800 on Zoom. 430 00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:40.400 We grew to acquire like 20 totally committed people who just never 431 00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:43.700 want to leave now help and they started helping us with our ministry 432 00:38:43.700 --> 00:38:47.200 of providing food for food-insecure families and the local preschool 433 00:38:47.200 --> 00:38:52.400 and blah, blah, blah. And so they all sing in the end they were so excited like 434 00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:54.900 you're going to be on an album and you hear them come in there like 435 00:38:54.900 --> 00:38:58.700 the choir of Angels or the great cloud of witnesses and I would use 436 00:38:58.700 --> 00:39:01.700 that language just had this is who you are on this song great 437 00:39:01.700 --> 00:39:02.600 encouragement. 438 00:39:03.100 --> 00:39:08.200 Adelante keep going and it's so moving and we need so much 439 00:39:08.200 --> 00:39:11.600 encouragement and hope right now and so all the people from our 440 00:39:11.600 --> 00:39:12.600 church, which is called, 441 00:39:12.600 --> 00:39:15.300 Hope LA give you can encouragement in the Lord. 442 00:39:15.300 --> 00:39:23.100 Let me let me follow a rabbit trail and my producer is sitting here 443 00:39:23.100 --> 00:39:24.600 saying no Dale don't do that. 444 00:39:24.600 --> 00:39:28.800 But I appreciate the Midwest congregation last Sunday. 445 00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:34.900 And my message was simple, the church in my opinion now not just 446 00:39:34.900 --> 00:39:39.100 in LA but throughout the country needs encouragement. 447 00:39:39.100 --> 00:39:44.600 We need to have the joy of optimism that comes from Christ and his 448 00:39:44.600 --> 00:39:45.200 resurrection. 449 00:39:45.200 --> 00:39:50.100 My sense is that a lot of us don't have that because the institutional 450 00:39:50.100 --> 00:39:51.800 Church ain't what it used to be. 451 00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:57.100 But that this also might be a time of great revitalization for the 452 00:39:57.100 --> 00:39:57.400 church. 453 00:39:57.400 --> 00:39:59.200 Would you just a few comments Heather? 454 00:39:59.200 --> 00:40:01.100 Not a sermon but a few comments. 455 00:40:01.100 --> 00:40:08.700 I think it absolutely is. Sadly many people raised in the institutional 456 00:40:08.700 --> 00:40:12.600 church have not been raised to understand they're calling as part of 457 00:40:12.600 --> 00:40:13.400 the priesthood of all believers. 458 00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:18.100 So all I know to do is to come on Sunday and be good tithers and 459 00:40:18.100 --> 00:40:19.700 say the right thing and do the right thing. 460 00:40:19.700 --> 00:40:22.500 Well that doesn't help when the church starts to fall apart and we 461 00:40:22.500 --> 00:40:27.100 need people out in the world right word and work living out our 462 00:40:27.100 --> 00:40:29.400 vocations in the world. But 463 00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:33.400 what's really encouraging is if the church will listen there are 464 00:40:33.400 --> 00:40:38.100 people who do understand they're calling who give their entire life to 465 00:40:38.100 --> 00:40:42.400 the missio Dei. And we already have been doing some of this work and 466 00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:47.800 you can look and we're here to offer that encouragement cuz it is you 467 00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:49.100 don't have to be afraid of it. 468 00:40:49.100 --> 00:40:54.300 Jesus's promises a real the Holy Spirit is real and if we step out 469 00:40:54.300 --> 00:40:58.800 like this willing to be uncomfortable willing to be arms wide open the 470 00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:01.600 spirit will use our lives to restore the church. 471 00:41:01.600 --> 00:41:08.400 Do we believe what we say on Sunday and I think on reflection yes, so 472 00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:12.000 many of the people in the institutional Church do believe it 473 00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:15.100 but it's but it's a time to get the barnacles off and get going. 474 00:41:15.100 --> 00:41:22.800 Okay, we're going to go into what's next day Adelante, Adelante you set 475 00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:23.000 it up. 476 00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:24.500 Let's listen to it. 477 00:46:13.200 --> 00:46:22.700 Heather you have a piece called "Sophia Wisdom" okay and that doesn't come 478 00:46:22.700 --> 00:46:28.400 quite from the Bible but almost tell us about it. 479 00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:30.400 Tell us about the source of Sophia. 480 00:46:31.500 --> 00:46:35.200 Well in some of the verses it does come directly out of the book of 481 00:46:35.200 --> 00:46:35.500 wisdom. 482 00:46:35.500 --> 00:46:38.100 And I think you're referring to the fact that some consider that 483 00:46:38.100 --> 00:46:42.400 apocryphal in our tradition that we would consider that it apocryphal 484 00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:48.200 or I'd like to say intertestamental. But not all of it because the last 485 00:46:48.200 --> 00:46:52.700 one of the verses have direct quotes from Proverbs 8 and 9 and I think 486 00:46:52.700 --> 00:46:58.300 we still include those don't we? Yes if I may interject in the Liturgy 487 00:46:58.300 --> 00:47:04.700 there sometimes are apocryphal verses that are included and I recall 488 00:47:04.700 --> 00:47:06.200 reading a sermon by Dr. 489 00:47:06.200 --> 00:47:10.900 Walter that he preached on a intertestamental or an apocryphal book. 490 00:47:10.900 --> 00:47:12.800 So this is legit. It is legit and Luther considered them excellent and he had a 491 00:47:16.500 --> 00:47:20.100 reason for wanting to go to be moved to the back cuz he was trying to 492 00:47:20.100 --> 00:47:23.300 get some clarity on what we would consider canonical and all that. 493 00:47:23.300 --> 00:47:27.000 So I get all those things. Sophie has been something 494 00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:30.200 I've been studying for about 25 years in variety of different 495 00:47:30.200 --> 00:47:35.800 places and I think my heart for I think in our church sadly if you 496 00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:39.100 even use a feminine pronoun everyone freaks out like it's going to 497 00:47:39.100 --> 00:47:43.800 become some big political case. This is not about politics or women's 498 00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:46.800 ordination or any of that. What it's about is the fullness of God. 499 00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:53.600 God tells us in Proverbs 8 and 9 that wisdom is a she it's not in one 500 00:47:53.600 --> 00:47:54.000 place. 501 00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:58.700 It's been hundreds of places wisdom is always personified as a she. 502 00:47:58.700 --> 00:48:01.100 There is a feminine nature. 503 00:48:01.100 --> 00:48:05.600 There is a way that we experience the fullness with that feminine nature 504 00:48:05.600 --> 00:48:09.300 it when we stop talking about it and we leave out of all of our 505 00:48:09.300 --> 00:48:11.700 teaching and reading and preaching and sharing. 506 00:48:11.700 --> 00:48:16.200 I think what happens is we get the mess that we're in right now. We get 507 00:48:16.200 --> 00:48:16.500 a very 508 00:48:16.500 --> 00:48:23.200 violent competitive angry like man turning himself of men's worst 509 00:48:23.200 --> 00:48:28.800 qualities world. And I think if the Protestant Church hadn't removed 510 00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:33.600 all of the teaching of Sophia as who Sophia is like the Eastern 511 00:48:33.600 --> 00:48:38.600 Orthodox has kept right or some references to Mary other than for a 512 00:48:38.600 --> 00:48:44.900 week at Advent, like the Catholic Church. Everything where there is some beauty and other things 513 00:48:44.900 --> 00:48:49.400 other than just this male nature, we may not be where we are today. 514 00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:53.500 I think it really contributes and so my singing this song it's a song 515 00:48:53.500 --> 00:48:58.900 that pines for the reclaiming of that teaching of that understanding 516 00:48:58.900 --> 00:49:03.500 and sadly right now some of our best Scholars, Lutheran Scholars, are 517 00:49:03.500 --> 00:49:08.400 really delighting in going back to that Proverbs 8 creation narrative 518 00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:11.800 and saying well that was really Jesus. And then from then on they just 519 00:49:11.800 --> 00:49:16.100 refer to wisdom as a he. It's like we don't get to tell God what he 520 00:49:16.100 --> 00:49:16.400 meant 521 00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:17.200 back then. 522 00:49:17.200 --> 00:49:22.000 Yes, we there's a there's a 5-hour talk we could have about you know 523 00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:25.800 the wisdom in Proverbs 8 being Jesus and leading to Jesus and all that and I'm 524 00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:29.100 not saying it's not I'm just saying we don't get to then say since 525 00:49:29.100 --> 00:49:30.300 I've decided it's Jesus. 526 00:49:30.300 --> 00:49:34.300 I'm now going to always say, you know who will wisdom built his house 527 00:49:34.300 --> 00:49:36.500 instead of wisdom builds her house. 528 00:49:36.500 --> 00:49:38.300 You don't get to go back and do that. 529 00:49:38.300 --> 00:49:44.000 So let's read those verses they are only in the lectionary like three times 530 00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:45.800 in the entire 3 year cycle. 531 00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:50.400 And then that those times are like on a Tuesday morning during Lent or 532 00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:53.500 something like that and what they'd never be read people never read 533 00:49:53.500 --> 00:49:53.700 them. 534 00:49:53.700 --> 00:49:55.100 Can we just read them? 535 00:49:55.100 --> 00:49:56.200 Can we lift them up? 536 00:49:56.200 --> 00:50:01.600 Can we recognize that this too is scripture and and bring back that 537 00:50:01.600 --> 00:50:05.700 fullness because remember it is Sophia who first it on the street saying 538 00:50:05.700 --> 00:50:11.200 come to me come to me Jesus Echoes that language right? 539 00:50:11.200 --> 00:50:12.100 Come to me. 540 00:50:12.100 --> 00:50:16.200 She is the inviter, she is the great inviter so we are now 541 00:50:16.500 --> 00:50:17.400 reaching a point where 542 00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:19.200 we need to invite people in. 543 00:50:19.200 --> 00:50:20.800 She's the one to help us. 544 00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:24.500 I'll tell you when I read Proverbs 8 and it's it's magnificent. 545 00:50:24.500 --> 00:50:26.700 Audience if you're not familiar with it. 546 00:50:27.600 --> 00:50:31.800 Read Proverbs 8, but when I read it, I don't think in terms with male 547 00:50:31.800 --> 00:50:32.400 or female. 548 00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:37.900 Although it is a woman personified as a as a woman Sophia, but I just 549 00:50:37.900 --> 00:50:43.500 think of the message the invitation to God, to God. 550 00:50:44.600 --> 00:50:48.900 Jesus says the wisdom is known in his children. 551 00:50:48.900 --> 00:50:52.100 So let's listen to Sophia. 552 00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:52.200 Great collection and I think I made it clear that there is more here 553 00:55:52.200 --> 00:55:58.100 than this preacher can put into 1.2 or a dozen sermons and then I'm 554 00:55:58.100 --> 00:56:01.600 going to meditate on it and get some professional use out of it as 555 00:56:01.600 --> 00:56:01.800 well. 556 00:56:01.800 --> 00:56:03.700 Tell us one more time Heather. 557 00:56:03.700 --> 00:56:07.000 How can we access this album? 558 00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:12.200 You can find it wherever you buy or stream music just type in "Life in 559 00:56:12.200 --> 00:56:16.100 the Key God" and if you need to you can add my name so they can can 560 00:56:16.100 --> 00:56:18.900 find it. Or you can go to my website Heather Choate Davis. 561 00:56:18.900 --> 00:56:24.700 com. You can find all that Amazon, Pandora, Spotify, Apple music or you 562 00:56:24.700 --> 00:56:27.700 can buy a physical CD whatever you want. And you will also on my 563 00:56:27.700 --> 00:56:31.600 website find all the lyrics because a lot of people like you Dale will 564 00:56:31.600 --> 00:56:35.500 want to meditate on the lyrics and consider how they can use those and 565 00:56:35.500 --> 00:56:36.800 use those for teaching and preaching. 566 00:56:37.500 --> 00:56:39.200 Thank you Heather for being with us. 567 00:56:39.200 --> 00:56:43.800 Thank you to you our audience for joining us today, May the 568 00:56:43.800 --> 00:56:50.900 intersection of Word and Work be busy and blessed on your corner.