WEBVTT 1 00:00:23.600 --> 00:00:27.300 Hello and welcome to Word and Work an Intersection. 2 00:00:27.300 --> 00:00:31.800 I'm your host Dale Meyer. This hour we will talk with Dr. 3 00:00:31.800 --> 00:00:35.600 James Marriott the Director of Musical Arts here Concordia Seminary 4 00:00:35.600 --> 00:00:39.300 and he holds the Kreft Chair for Musical Arts. 5 00:00:39.300 --> 00:00:43.000 Welcome Jim glad to have you. Thanks fun to be here. 6 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:47.800 Let's see since we last visited you are now the Reverend. 7 00:00:47.800 --> 00:00:48.400 Dr. 8 00:00:48.400 --> 00:00:49.500 Tell us about that. 9 00:00:49.500 --> 00:00:53.500 So I finished taking classes here at the Seminary and was ordained in 10 00:00:53.500 --> 00:00:57.400 August at the opening service. And it was really an honor to take 11 00:00:57.400 --> 00:01:00.400 classes with our students are student body is really amazing 12 00:01:00.400 --> 00:01:03.200 just wonderful people and our faculty are top-notch. 13 00:01:03.200 --> 00:01:05.600 I learned a lot and I now I'm enjoying 14 00:01:06.600 --> 00:01:10.300 serving as a pastor and pastoral assistant at different churches here 15 00:01:10.300 --> 00:01:10.600 in St. 16 00:01:10.600 --> 00:01:11.300 Louis as well. 17 00:01:11.300 --> 00:01:14.200 So it's it's it's very fun to serve. One of the things that 18 00:01:14.200 --> 00:01:18.600 people may not realize it when your professor and a staff member here 19 00:01:18.600 --> 00:01:21.200 you serve in a pastoral capacity. 20 00:01:21.200 --> 00:01:26.200 You're not the pastor per say. Correct. But you're always pastoral whenever 21 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:31.400 you deal with a student. Exactly and those relationships are very endearing, I really cherish them. 22 00:01:31.400 --> 00:01:35.000 Well, congratulations and we're glad you're here Concordia 23 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:42.200 Seminary. Thank you. Some people have left but you're still here. We want to talk about music 24 00:01:42.200 --> 00:01:43.600 specifically Advent music. Right. 25 00:01:43.600 --> 00:01:49.200 We're in the Advent season and I picked out a number of hymns that are 26 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:49.800 dear to me. 27 00:01:49.800 --> 00:01:52.800 This is totally subjective selection. 28 00:01:53.700 --> 00:01:58.700 And the one that always pops up at the top of my my love list is lLift 29 00:01:58.700 --> 00:01:59.200 up Your Heads 30 00:01:59.200 --> 00:01:59.700 Ye Mighty Gates. 31 00:02:01.700 --> 00:02:05.900 And if we don't sing that in church, one of the four Sundays I'm 32 00:02:05.900 --> 00:02:06.400 disappointed. 33 00:02:06.400 --> 00:02:11.700 I'm sure that it's dear to me because we sang it all the time in our 34 00:02:11.700 --> 00:02:20.300 youth. Could you talk about hymns as forming the spiritual soul of 35 00:02:20.300 --> 00:02:28.500 young people? Absolutely. Well it so funny that you lift up that hymn because is it was one that I learned in my childhood as well and 36 00:02:28.500 --> 00:02:31.600 my mother would sing it every Advent as see what we're making 37 00:02:31.600 --> 00:02:35.100 Christmas cookies or decorating the house that was definitely her go 38 00:02:35.100 --> 00:02:40.000 to. And that melody it was just so lilting and fun and dance 39 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:42.800 like is it really accompanies your work at home very well. 40 00:02:42.800 --> 00:02:45.800 So that one's very dear to me as well. 41 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:50.900 But right growing up, I we were always singing hymns and talking 42 00:02:50.900 --> 00:02:54.700 about the different theology of hymns. Now I have church musicians in 43 00:02:54.700 --> 00:02:55.300 my family 44 00:02:55.300 --> 00:02:57.400 so you know we had a bias towards hymns. 45 00:02:57.400 --> 00:03:00.800 But even if they do in our house we teach hymns 46 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:01.600 and our 47 00:03:01.700 --> 00:03:06.900 children are learning them. And the theology of hymns is so rich. The 48 00:03:06.900 --> 00:03:08.400 poetry it sticks with you. 49 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:11.700 And you're just such an example of that all the hymns that you have 50 00:03:11.700 --> 00:03:15.000 memorized. And you use them in preaching and you use them in your 51 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:19.600 devotional life. And if everyone could have that gift of having 52 00:03:19.600 --> 00:03:23.300 the opportunity to really dwell in the Poetry of the hymns and to know 53 00:03:23.300 --> 00:03:27.100 the theology of them is very very rich. And Lift Up Your Heads 54 00:03:27.100 --> 00:03:28.700 is a great example of that. 55 00:03:28.700 --> 00:03:32.200 You mentioned a number number of things first of all around the home 56 00:03:32.200 --> 00:03:36.100 as as you were talking about your mother singing this when you were a 57 00:03:36.100 --> 00:03:38.900 kid. I was reminded my mother used to sing 58 00:03:38.900 --> 00:03:45.100 O du fröhliche, o du selige, Gnadenbringende Weihnachtszeit! Welt ging verloren, Christ ist geboren: 59 00:03:45.100 --> 00:03:47.900 Freue, freue dich, o Christenheit! 60 00:03:47.900 --> 00:03:50.300 Oh, how How does it go in English? Oh how joyfully 61 00:03:50.300 --> 00:03:50.700 O. Yeah. 62 00:03:50.700 --> 00:03:54.300 Yeah, and I can see her at the kitchen sink singing that. 63 00:03:54.300 --> 00:03:56.400 Well, well this one. 64 00:03:57.200 --> 00:03:59.000 Talk about this one. 65 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:03.800 What what I love about this particular Advent hymn is its trinitarian 66 00:04:03.800 --> 00:04:07.000 focus it so it goes from the Father to the Son to the Spirit and it 67 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:11.400 really is talking about you know about God's work in the world and how 68 00:04:11.400 --> 00:04:18.200 God's coming in Jesus Christ works different promises in the world as 69 00:04:18.200 --> 00:04:21.200 for the Advent season. And will see that in a lot of the Advent hymns 70 00:04:21.200 --> 00:04:25.400 that it's always this kind of, you know tension between Christ 71 00:04:25.400 --> 00:04:29.600 first coming and Christ second coming but it's always about you know, 72 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:32.000 Christ's presence in the world and God's work in the world. 73 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:37.300 And so here we are seeing God's work Father, Son and Holy Spirit in 74 00:04:37.300 --> 00:04:43.100 this hymn and then responding to it every every ending line in this hymn 75 00:04:43.100 --> 00:04:46.200 is, you know, either to God the Father raise your joyful songs of 76 00:04:46.200 --> 00:04:51.000 praise and we're always responding in praise. You talk about the 77 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:56.100 response one of the lines in the new hymnal was changed. Okay. 78 00:04:57.200 --> 00:05:02.300 And maybe I'm at an age where I don't like these changes But one verse 79 00:05:02.300 --> 00:05:08.000 says Redeemer come I open wide my heart to thee here Lord abide. Yes. And I 80 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:12.600 think that has been changed because somebody wanted to nitpick and say 81 00:05:12.600 --> 00:05:18.900 I can't open my heart to Jesus. Ah, interesting. These are the things 82 00:05:18.900 --> 00:05:20.000 that fascinates me. 83 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:23.600 It's like Amazing Grace getting away from Advent. 84 00:05:25.100 --> 00:05:31.000 Twas Grace that taught my heart to fear and fear my and Grace my fears 85 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:31.500 relieved. 86 00:05:32.500 --> 00:05:34.000 There's nothing wrong with that 87 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:40.900 theologically. It can be misunderstood. Right. What I find is the words. 88 00:05:40.900 --> 00:05:44.400 They have over these decades 89 00:05:46.700 --> 00:05:52.600 built the structure of my spirituality. Absolutely. And they enrich you 90 00:05:52.600 --> 00:05:56.900 know, the way that we know who Jesus is and how we live as Jesus 91 00:05:56.900 --> 00:06:03.200 disciples in the world. And so you mentioned like individual lines that may be able to be 92 00:06:03.200 --> 00:06:05.000 misunderstood or maybe ambiguous. 93 00:06:05.000 --> 00:06:10.600 That's why you know that the whole Canon the whole Corpus of our 94 00:06:10.600 --> 00:06:15.900 Doctrine is so important so that in a little lines can be interpreted 95 00:06:15.900 --> 00:06:19.700 through the wider understanding of who we are is Lutheran Christians 96 00:06:19.700 --> 00:06:22.900 and what that means for our life in the world. 97 00:06:22.900 --> 00:06:27.300 So we don't have to you know, we certainly don't want to have an 98 00:06:27.300 --> 00:06:28.900 overabundance of ambiguity. Sure. 99 00:06:28.900 --> 00:06:34.400 But when we have ambiguity it always can be always answered through kind 100 00:06:34.400 --> 00:06:39.300 of why your theological reflection. So it makes me a little less skeptical or 101 00:06:39.300 --> 00:06:42.300 less nervous about, you know, little things that might be ambiguous 102 00:06:42.300 --> 00:06:45.300 because the big things that matter are not know we're not. 103 00:06:45.300 --> 00:06:46.300 We're not Fundamentalist. 104 00:06:46.600 --> 00:06:47.500 No, exactly right. 105 00:06:47.500 --> 00:06:48.900 It comes comes to hymns. 106 00:06:48.900 --> 00:06:55.300 I remember that maybe it was as you said the melody that really sank 107 00:06:55.300 --> 00:06:57.800 this into my. Yes. Childhood soul. 108 00:06:57.800 --> 00:07:00.100 And then years later 109 00:07:00.100 --> 00:07:06.900 I heard a musical expert kind of pan that melody because there are 110 00:07:06.900 --> 00:07:10.300 there are now that I think one or two other melodies in the hymnal. 111 00:07:10.300 --> 00:07:20.100 Would you talk about that? The purest would sometimes take away the old 112 00:07:20.100 --> 00:07:24.600 less-than-ideal melody that we knew. Yeah and actually for that 113 00:07:24.600 --> 00:07:25.300 particular hymn 114 00:07:25.300 --> 00:07:29.000 I don't know the history of the three different melodies that have 115 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:30.500 been for it. 116 00:07:30.500 --> 00:07:36.800 This one the Milwaukee tune is the one that I have always known with 117 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:37.500 that text. 118 00:07:37.500 --> 00:07:41.800 So really that's the one that I've always sung with it. But a lot of 119 00:07:41.800 --> 00:07:45.900 times those things will happen just based on a particular context 120 00:07:45.900 --> 00:07:46.200 or 121 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:51.100 someone writing it for a particular place or the history of that tune 122 00:07:51.100 --> 00:07:52.700 being associated with that text. 123 00:07:52.700 --> 00:07:55.700 So certainly different tunes can work with different text. 124 00:07:55.700 --> 00:07:59.100 But there's nothing like you know, what we were formed with 125 00:07:59.100 --> 00:08:02.600 obviously informs our biases about them. 126 00:08:02.600 --> 00:08:05.900 Like I when I think of Lift Up Your Heads Ye Mighty Gates, I 127 00:08:05.900 --> 00:08:10.100 think of the Milwaukee tune and the lilting melody and kind of 128 00:08:10.100 --> 00:08:13.600 dance like form of it. It's not the other melodies are not good 129 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:19.000 but that's the one I think of. We got another hymn that we're going 130 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:19.400 to talk about. 131 00:08:21.200 --> 00:08:23.600 Checking my memory here friends. 132 00:08:23.600 --> 00:08:29.800 We have Low He Comes with Clouds Descending. Right. Now Advent is not 133 00:08:29.800 --> 00:08:31.200 only little baby 134 00:08:31.200 --> 00:08:32.290 Jesus comes to Bethlehem. 135 00:08:32.290 --> 00:08:39.200 Right. But it's also the final judgment and 136 00:08:39.200 --> 00:08:44.000 this is a newer hymn at least least to me and I think you 137 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:48.800 mentioned before we taped to you. Sure, exactly and this hymn was a great 138 00:08:48.800 --> 00:08:53.700 illustration of how Advent progresses from the second coming to the 139 00:08:53.700 --> 00:08:57.000 first. You know, a lot of times we think of Advent and Christmas all 140 00:08:57.000 --> 00:09:01.700 about baby Jesus all about, you know, Jesus in the manger. But really 141 00:09:01.700 --> 00:09:04.600 through the church year the end of the church year ends with 142 00:09:04.600 --> 00:09:08.900 judgment and the idea of fulfillment. And then that transitions 143 00:09:08.900 --> 00:09:11.800 immediately into the beginning of the church year with Advent where we 144 00:09:11.800 --> 00:09:15.800 are preparing for Christ coming. Advent Christ coming. 145 00:09:15.800 --> 00:09:21.100 So the second coming is really the focal point for us Christians on this 146 00:09:21.200 --> 00:09:25.500 side of the Resurrection. That we know that Jesus is coming again and 147 00:09:25.500 --> 00:09:31.000 this hymn really gets us, you know out of kind of a narrow focus of 148 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:35.600 Jesus as a baby in the manger and really frames it with exactly what's 149 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:41.300 going on. A very eschatological approach to who Jesus is, Jesus's return 150 00:09:41.300 --> 00:09:47.300 and also the crucifixion is is very clearly depicted in this hymn. And 151 00:09:47.300 --> 00:09:53.800 just very haunting imaging imagery that's in this hymn but really very 152 00:09:53.800 --> 00:09:57.600 very beautiful and enriching for the Christian. In looking back at my 153 00:09:57.600 --> 00:09:58.200 ministry 154 00:09:58.200 --> 00:10:03.500 I don't think that I did right by the return of Christ. 155 00:10:03.500 --> 00:10:08.300 I mean we talk about it at at the end of the church here and and 156 00:10:08.300 --> 00:10:09.900 somewhat in the Advent. 157 00:10:10.500 --> 00:10:16.900 Understandably, we focus on his coming life, passion, death, resurrection 158 00:10:16.900 --> 00:10:18.600 for century. 159 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:24.600 But as as I'm working, especially in 1st Peter, on the Concordia commentary, 160 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:31.100 chapter 1 verse 13 says set your hopes on the Grace has brought you by 161 00:10:31.100 --> 00:10:33.800 the revelation of Christ and that's talking about judgement day. 162 00:10:33.800 --> 00:10:41.600 Exactly. I think we have sidelined this Advent emphasis and to our harm 163 00:10:41.600 --> 00:10:44.300 because we're not forgive me for saying this again. 164 00:10:44.300 --> 00:10:46.800 We're not the curators of a first century museum. 165 00:10:46.800 --> 00:10:52.000 It's integral to our life and our salvation, but we're going to see 166 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:52.200 him again. 167 00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:56.000 And in many ways it's a sociological and cultural problem. 168 00:10:56.000 --> 00:10:59.300 It points to how, you know, especially the United States we really 169 00:10:59.300 --> 00:11:03.900 relegate spirituality to the sidelines and Sunday becomes, you know, 170 00:11:03.900 --> 00:11:08.100 kind of an escape from the world rather than our engagement with the 171 00:11:08.100 --> 00:11:10.300 world. But all of the sociological problems that 172 00:11:10.500 --> 00:11:14.800 we have. All of the cultural issues that we are engaged and all must be 173 00:11:14.800 --> 00:11:16.000 framed with the idea 174 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:17.400 that Christ is coming again. 175 00:11:17.400 --> 00:11:19.100 We're not going to make everything better, 176 00:11:19.100 --> 00:11:22.900 now. Everything is going to be fulfilled when Christ returns. 177 00:11:22.900 --> 00:11:27.700 So we're always looking to service disciples now to bring the kingdom 178 00:11:27.700 --> 00:11:31.200 to make witness of what God has done through Jesus Christ, even as we 179 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:35.800 await for Christ to return when all will be fulfilled and that's 180 00:11:35.800 --> 00:11:36.600 exactly right. 181 00:11:36.600 --> 00:11:41.400 We need more of that narrative in the church because so often we get 182 00:11:41.400 --> 00:11:45.800 too caught up in the now and we forget, you know, the fulfillment 183 00:11:45.800 --> 00:11:49.300 that's coming in the not yet. Hymns have a great devotional 184 00:11:49.300 --> 00:11:54.200 character. Yes. So to wrap out close out this first segment. 185 00:11:54.200 --> 00:11:57.900 Would you read a few verses. Are they verses are stanzas? 186 00:11:57.900 --> 00:12:05.200 What's the right? A stanza is without a refrain a verse has a refrain so 187 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:09.700 maybe Lift High the Cross has versus and then a refrain this hymn has 188 00:12:09.700 --> 00:12:10.400 stanzas. 189 00:12:10.400 --> 00:12:13.900 Because there's no refrain at the end and no repeating refrain there you go. 190 00:12:13.900 --> 00:12:21.400 We learned. Read some of them. The second stanza of this is a really profound and really point to Christ's passion. 191 00:12:21.400 --> 00:12:27.400 And then it really goes from there into messages about his return. 192 00:12:27.400 --> 00:12:33.000 So here's that second stanza. Every eye shall now behold Him, this is 193 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:38.700 Jesus, Robed in glorious majesty those who set at naught and sold him 194 00:12:38.700 --> 00:12:44.900 pierced and nailed him to the tree deeply wailing deeply wailing shall 195 00:12:44.900 --> 00:12:50.000 their true Messiah see. So it really captures, you know, the gravity of 196 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:55.600 the crucifixion scene and coming at judgment, you know, what it will 197 00:12:55.600 --> 00:12:59.500 be like to witness Jesus coming power. 198 00:12:59.500 --> 00:13:06.400 That's scary. It is. It is scary and I think of a Lenten hymn. Stricken, 199 00:13:06.400 --> 00:13:10.400 smitten and afflicted ye who think of sin but lightly. Exactly. 200 00:13:10.400 --> 00:13:14.600 Suppose evil great, so it's not just the people who crucified Jesus we 201 00:13:14.600 --> 00:13:23.600 have are times when we think of sin, but lightly. Exactly right. I hope the hymn has some hope. So then it turns and 202 00:13:23.600 --> 00:13:28.900 it talks about the end of the third stanza how we'd still adore 203 00:13:28.900 --> 00:13:29.700 the scar. 204 00:13:29.700 --> 00:13:30.700 So here's what it says. 205 00:13:30.700 --> 00:13:35.700 Those dear tokens of his passion still his dazzling body bears cause of 206 00:13:35.700 --> 00:13:40.400 endless exultation to his ransomed worshippers. With what rapture with 207 00:13:40.400 --> 00:13:41.800 rapture gaze 208 00:13:41.800 --> 00:13:43.500 we on those glorious scars. 209 00:13:43.500 --> 00:13:46.900 And then in the fourth stanza, it talks about Christ's return and 210 00:13:46.900 --> 00:13:50.100 Christ taking the throne and the glory. And of course we frame all this 211 00:13:50.100 --> 00:13:50.600 in faith 212 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:54.500 so we have nothing to fear because of God's grace through faith. But 213 00:13:54.500 --> 00:13:58.400 it still is not something to be taken lightly and Christ return 214 00:13:58.400 --> 00:14:04.600 will there will be a holy fear and a righteous judgement that happens 215 00:14:04.600 --> 00:14:08.000 and we must look to that and the world needs that. 216 00:14:08.600 --> 00:14:09.900 That's magnificent. 217 00:14:09.900 --> 00:14:17.400 We have had Doctor Saleska with us to talk about Psalms as prayers of 218 00:14:17.400 --> 00:14:18.000 devotion. 219 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:23.900 And if you have trouble sitting for an extended time making up your 220 00:14:23.900 --> 00:14:28.700 own prayers hymns can also do the same. Absolutely. And you can be assured the 221 00:14:28.700 --> 00:14:30.000 content is going to be fine. 222 00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:31.500 We're going to take a short break. 223 00:14:31.500 --> 00:14:35.800 But first we're going to hear Doctor Marriott play "Lift Up Your Heads 224 00:14:35.800 --> 00:14:40.100 Ye Mighty Gates" Macht hoch die Tür, die Tor macht weit;. Stay with us. 225 00:16:03.900 --> 00:16:05.500 Concordia Seminary St. 226 00:16:05.500 --> 00:16:10.300 Louis provides continuing education resources for pastors and lay 227 00:16:10.300 --> 00:16:15.400 people to discover all the Concordia Seminary has for you visit us on 228 00:16:15.400 --> 00:16:17.900 the web at CSL. 229 00:16:17.900 --> 00:16:18.700 EDU. 230 00:16:21.400 --> 00:16:24.300 Welcome back to Word and Work an Intersection. 231 00:16:24.300 --> 00:16:26.700 I'm your host a Dale Meyer. Today 232 00:16:26.700 --> 00:16:27.600 our guest is Dr. 233 00:16:27.600 --> 00:16:32.300 James Marriott, the Director of Musical Arts here Concordia Seminary 234 00:16:32.300 --> 00:16:38.300 and he holds the Kreft chair for Music Arts. Before we took our break 235 00:16:38.300 --> 00:16:40.400 and before we heard you at the organ, 236 00:16:40.400 --> 00:16:41.300 thank you very much, 237 00:16:41.300 --> 00:16:43.600 we talked about memory. 238 00:16:44.500 --> 00:16:48.000 And I'm reminded of a of a man 239 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:53.000 I knew who grew up in Germany. The East German Stasi 240 00:16:55.100 --> 00:16:59.300 came into the church, and we're really clamping down on what the 241 00:16:59.300 --> 00:17:03.500 church could preach and teach and after the Stasi 242 00:17:03.500 --> 00:17:08.800 had delivered their commands. The organist played a hymn 243 00:17:10.100 --> 00:17:15.500 and the words of the hymn signaled to the congregation don't buy this 244 00:17:15.500 --> 00:17:20.300 baloney. That's right. But nothing was said so the Stasi wouldn't have gotten that that 245 00:17:20.300 --> 00:17:24.400 happened because people had memorized their hymns. Yes. 246 00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:29.200 It seems to me that we have gotten away from that in recent decades. 247 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:34.100 Could you speak to that and and and how let's say the school does not 248 00:17:34.100 --> 00:17:37.200 teach hymns. Public school is certainly not going to but maybe a Lutheran 249 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:38.300 School isn't doing enough either. 250 00:17:38.300 --> 00:17:43.300 You know, what can a parent do? You know, that's really good actually in a 251 00:17:43.300 --> 00:17:47.900 lot of the youth ministry that I've done kids have songs memorized 252 00:17:47.900 --> 00:17:51.300 from all sorts of different genres. Their playlist a very diverse and 253 00:17:51.300 --> 00:17:55.000 they really know all of the words to those songs because they listen 254 00:17:55.000 --> 00:17:55.700 to them over and over. 255 00:17:55.700 --> 00:17:59.400 So for better for worse kids are still memorizing songs 256 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:03.000 it's just which songs are they memorizing. Which is why it's so important 257 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:07.300 to re-enliven Christian music and make sure that we're always 258 00:18:07.300 --> 00:18:10.000 have the opportunity to 259 00:18:10.100 --> 00:18:12.400 sing and to listen to Christian music. 260 00:18:12.400 --> 00:18:17.000 So one memory tool especially for our culture today is really 261 00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:17.900 just listening. 262 00:18:17.900 --> 00:18:24.300 Having a playlist that includes hymns and songs with good 263 00:18:24.300 --> 00:18:28.900 theology songs that speak of Christ and they're songs like that all over 264 00:18:28.900 --> 00:18:34.800 Christian music in a lot of different genres and styles of music that 265 00:18:34.800 --> 00:18:39.400 have good Christian lyrics good Christocentric text. But to really 266 00:18:39.400 --> 00:18:44.700 match theology with music, that's the gift that our Lutheran Heritage 267 00:18:44.700 --> 00:18:47.700 has always celebrated and that's what we want to do for our children 268 00:18:47.700 --> 00:18:50.100 as well. Because they're still listening to music. 269 00:18:50.100 --> 00:18:51.100 They're still memorizing music. 270 00:18:51.100 --> 00:18:52.900 It's just switched 271 00:18:52.900 --> 00:18:55.400 you know, what songs are they listening to and memorizing. 272 00:18:55.400 --> 00:19:00.500 So in our house, we have a mix, you know our kids listen to 273 00:19:00.500 --> 00:19:05.000 Christian radio and we enjoy doing that together. And we also sing 274 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:09.100 hymns and the kids have their favorite hymns that when they come up in 275 00:19:09.100 --> 00:19:09.400 church 276 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:13.600 they are very excited that we're singing that hymn and they know it 277 00:19:13.600 --> 00:19:17.500 well. Time marches on because there was no Christian radio when I was a 278 00:19:17.500 --> 00:19:24.600 kid and and I know my daughter has Christian radio on when she's 279 00:19:24.600 --> 00:19:27.900 driving and and maybe that's where the kids are starting to pick some 280 00:19:27.900 --> 00:19:28.100 of that up. 281 00:19:28.100 --> 00:19:37.100 She certainly is. Sure exactly right. So we have all sorts of different resources and ways coming at music these days and lots of much more 282 00:19:37.100 --> 00:19:42.600 access to music than what many generations throughout the history of 283 00:19:42.600 --> 00:19:43.700 humanity have ever had. 284 00:19:43.700 --> 00:19:47.400 It's just a matter of discerning what to choose in what to listen to. 285 00:19:47.400 --> 00:19:49.400 So I should tee up a softball for you. 286 00:19:49.400 --> 00:19:56.000 How can a viewer or a listener you know tap into some of the musical 287 00:19:56.000 --> 00:19:58.100 riches are offered here at Concordia Seminary. 288 00:19:58.100 --> 00:20:02.900 Well, so we are doing more recordings these days. 289 00:20:02.900 --> 00:20:08.200 We have a recording of our Laudamus CD that came out a couple years 290 00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:08.700 ago now. 291 00:20:10.000 --> 00:20:13.800 We just recorded a setting of A Mighty Fortress that I played. 292 00:20:13.800 --> 00:20:16.800 Hopefully that had some of that effect that you described before 293 00:20:16.800 --> 00:20:22.100 knowing, you know, the story of the Theology of that text. So there are different ways of things we are 294 00:20:22.100 --> 00:20:26.500 producing here at the Seminary of ways that people can have access to 295 00:20:26.500 --> 00:20:29.100 music and be able to listen to different things as well. 296 00:20:29.100 --> 00:20:29.900 That's great, 297 00:20:29.900 --> 00:20:35.700 just go to our website. Let's do another hymn I picked out. Jesus Came the Heavens Adoring and I have 298 00:20:35.700 --> 00:20:39.100 to confess when we were preparing this program. 299 00:20:39.100 --> 00:20:41.000 And the question was put to me 300 00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:42.800 what are some of your favorite Advent hymns. 301 00:20:42.800 --> 00:20:43.800 I just flipped through. 302 00:20:43.800 --> 00:20:44.500 Yeah, this is good. 303 00:20:44.500 --> 00:20:45.300 Yeah, this is good. 304 00:20:45.300 --> 00:20:46.800 Yeah, this is good. Yeah, this is good. 305 00:20:46.800 --> 00:20:48.300 Yeah, that why we can't do all of them. 306 00:20:48.300 --> 00:20:50.200 So this is very arbitrary. 307 00:20:50.200 --> 00:20:53.900 And now this is a newer one at least in in my knowledge. 308 00:20:53.900 --> 00:20:57.200 Jesus Came the Heavens Adoring. Again 309 00:20:57.200 --> 00:21:03.400 I like the melody, but maybe the thing that that most grab me is 310 00:21:04.100 --> 00:21:06.200 Cheers our hearts and dries our tears. 311 00:21:06.200 --> 00:21:06.800 Alleluia. 312 00:21:06.800 --> 00:21:10.100 Alleluia. Comforts us in failing years. 313 00:21:12.100 --> 00:21:15.700 A little reality therapy there. Talk about this, Jim 314 00:21:15.700 --> 00:21:23.500 would you? Jesus came the heavens adoring. Yeah, so even that line just as a testament to how rich hymn 315 00:21:23.500 --> 00:21:28.700 text are that they in they have staying power. So they can they reach 316 00:21:28.700 --> 00:21:32.200 us at different points in our life with different themes in different 317 00:21:32.200 --> 00:21:32.700 points of emphasis. 318 00:21:32.700 --> 00:21:37.000 So, you know that line speaks to you differently now, then maybe it 319 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:42.400 did in previous years and it brings comfort and that's what hymn texts 320 00:21:42.400 --> 00:21:43.300 are designed to do. 321 00:21:43.300 --> 00:21:49.100 They they work on us devotionally to bring comfort to bring peace to 322 00:21:49.100 --> 00:21:53.300 give us the opportunity to express praise and thanksgiving. But they 323 00:21:53.300 --> 00:21:58.200 also teach us of you know, who God is and what God has come to do for 324 00:21:58.200 --> 00:22:02.000 us in Jesus Christ to work our forgiveness to work our life to work 325 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:11.100 our salvation. To that point there are 4 stanzas? There are 4 stanzas. Yes. 4 stanzas and Jesus came the heavens adoring. 326 00:22:11.100 --> 00:22:12.000 But what do the next three do? 327 00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:15.600 Now they're telling about Jesus comes and the ongoing nature of 328 00:22:15.600 --> 00:22:20.100 Jesus's work in the Kingdom right now again, even as we await that for 329 00:22:20.100 --> 00:22:26.200 fulfillment at the end. So Jesus is come and working in us peace and 330 00:22:26.200 --> 00:22:31.800 life and restoration and healing and hope and this hymn really points to 331 00:22:31.800 --> 00:22:37.200 that even as we wait for Christ to return. If I might grind an axe Jesus 332 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:41.600 comes yes, he comes in word and sacrament but this is not simply the 333 00:22:41.600 --> 00:22:43.700 hour in church on Sunday. Right. 334 00:22:43.700 --> 00:22:45.100 He brings us peace. 335 00:22:45.100 --> 00:22:50.900 Whenever I happen to remember him or a Bible passage that says peace I 336 00:22:50.900 --> 00:22:53.000 give unto you my peace I leave with you. Right. 337 00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:59.600 So if this is he comes now 24/7, 365.And that's something 338 00:22:59.600 --> 00:23:03.200 that we talked about in the Worship Class a lot too, the class I 339 00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:06.800 teach here at the Seminary, that there is a continuity between what 340 00:23:06.800 --> 00:23:09.400 happens on Sunday and what happens in the daily life. 341 00:23:09.400 --> 00:23:12.000 So Sunday isn't our escape from the world. 342 00:23:12.100 --> 00:23:16.600 Sunday isn't where we get our sack filled. Sunday is really, you know 343 00:23:16.600 --> 00:23:21.400 the place where we learn to do the world rightly. And so word and 344 00:23:21.400 --> 00:23:25.700 sacrament Ministry is that which propels us into our life. 345 00:23:25.700 --> 00:23:30.900 So you think about our baptismal promises, you know, it's not that I 346 00:23:30.900 --> 00:23:36.800 was baptized. Baptism is not a not just one moment in my Christian 347 00:23:36.800 --> 00:23:37.100 life 348 00:23:37.100 --> 00:23:42.600 it actually is who I am in Christ who God has made it to be. So 349 00:23:42.600 --> 00:23:46.800 word and sacrament Ministry really have that continuity to 350 00:23:46.800 --> 00:23:51.300 them. A new obedience at the confessions point us to that in response to 351 00:23:51.300 --> 00:23:55.300 what the church is and what we receive in word and sacrament we get to 352 00:23:55.300 --> 00:23:57.700 be the church in the world and that's really profound. 353 00:23:59.600 --> 00:24:03.300 Diana and I stayed away from in person worship for 354 00:24:05.400 --> 00:24:07.700 what was it 5-6 months. Okay . 355 00:24:07.700 --> 00:24:10.900 I mean I have some pre-existing conditions. 356 00:24:10.900 --> 00:24:25.200 We want to keep you healthy, so yes. Yeah I want to enjoy this retirement. That's right. You all wanted me to retire. I didn't. I hope not. But anyway when our comfort level rose again, which 357 00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:26.500 is a month two months ago. 358 00:24:26.500 --> 00:24:32.400 We went back and the thing that struck me was okay 359 00:24:32.400 --> 00:24:36.200 I can hear the word of God online and we we did faithfully take it 360 00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:37.200 online, okay. 361 00:24:38.100 --> 00:24:42.100 But what struck me was was a number of things one was just the 362 00:24:42.100 --> 00:24:46.000 fellowship of having people around even if you couldn't fellowship 363 00:24:46.000 --> 00:24:53.000 normally, but the other thing was the organ. Now I missed being in Chapel 364 00:24:53.000 --> 00:24:59.400 all the time here because you know how to open that puppy up. And it's 365 00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:03.900 not just intellectual is a total body experience music. Yes. 366 00:25:03.900 --> 00:25:08.800 Absolutely and that is that's how music works with memory and that's 367 00:25:08.800 --> 00:25:10.700 how music works with emotion. 368 00:25:10.700 --> 00:25:12.900 It's because it is an invited experience. 369 00:25:12.900 --> 00:25:17.500 It works on the brain in a particular way that engages in the full 370 00:25:17.500 --> 00:25:22.100 mind and the full body in a way that many other artistic forms can't do 371 00:25:22.100 --> 00:25:25.700 and certainly the spoken word doesn't do that in the same way that 372 00:25:25.700 --> 00:25:26.500 music does. 373 00:25:26.500 --> 00:25:32.100 So that's feeling that the gravitas of the the organ and the 374 00:25:32.100 --> 00:25:37.200 acoustics all of those things work together to absolutely create a 375 00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:38.000 type of experience. 376 00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:43.300 And what I work to do in my organ playing is to pair that with a text. 377 00:25:43.300 --> 00:25:46.700 So some of these rich text that we've talked about, you know being 378 00:25:46.700 --> 00:25:51.500 able to create that sound and artistically paint, you know, those 379 00:25:51.500 --> 00:25:55.400 texts in a way that communicates what's happening then for me that's 380 00:25:55.400 --> 00:25:59.300 very fulfilling that people would be able to feel that. One 381 00:25:59.300 --> 00:26:00.100 way you do that. 382 00:26:00.100 --> 00:26:04.800 I tell you that this life at the Seminary wonderful and you're always 383 00:26:04.800 --> 00:26:11.000 welcome to come. But when you play O God our help in ages past our hope 384 00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:14.800 for years to come our comfort in the stormy blast and our Eternal home. 385 00:26:14.800 --> 00:26:19.300 Then there's there's a there's a stanza time like an ever-rolling 386 00:26:19.300 --> 00:26:22.100 stream bares all its sons away. 387 00:26:22.100 --> 00:26:25.500 We fly forgotten as a dream dies at the opening day. 388 00:26:25.500 --> 00:26:31.000 And any number of times we have sung that in Chapel and but we don't 389 00:26:31.000 --> 00:26:36.900 sing that those words. You just play it and and did how did you describe 390 00:26:36.900 --> 00:26:38.200 it you let the organ 391 00:26:38.300 --> 00:26:43.200 be expressive. Yeah. So we're actually singing that hymn in Chapel next Tuesday, 392 00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:44.000 and I'll do the same thing. 393 00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:55.100 But I I use the Carillon chime bum bum bum bum bum bum bum. 394 00:26:55.100 --> 00:27:02.400 As a theme that then pairs with the melody to talk about time passing and 395 00:27:02.400 --> 00:27:05.400 it it really creates a beautiful little serene moment. 396 00:27:05.400 --> 00:27:08.900 It actually is something my grandfather taught me to do with that 397 00:27:08.900 --> 00:27:09.900 particular hymn. 398 00:27:09.900 --> 00:27:13.400 And so now I always think of him and carry on his legacy as a 399 00:27:13.400 --> 00:27:13.700 musician. 400 00:27:13.700 --> 00:27:16.100 I don't remember what service it was 401 00:27:16.100 --> 00:27:20.200 it was one of the occasional big Seminary services and I was in the 402 00:27:20.200 --> 00:27:23.500 chancel and you did that and I can remember. 403 00:27:23.500 --> 00:27:24.400 Oh, wow. 404 00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:29.100 Wow, since it's like comforts us in our failing years. Yes. Let's go to one more. 405 00:27:29.100 --> 00:27:38.200 I mean we could make this whole day thing. O come O come 406 00:27:38.300 --> 00:27:44.200 Emmanuel. Now I actually didn't like that for a lot of years I mean 407 00:27:45.300 --> 00:27:47.800 didn't like whatever that means because it's kind of dirgee 408 00:27:47.800 --> 00:27:52.000 I thought. But as the years of going on I realized that it has a rich 409 00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:58.400 heritage in the church and and you cannot exhaust the text. Yeah 410 00:27:58.400 --> 00:27:59.100 exactly right. 411 00:27:59.100 --> 00:28:03.900 So first of all on Advent hymns in general we could do this all day 412 00:28:03.900 --> 00:28:07.800 and so many churches are excited to kind of get to Christmas, you 413 00:28:07.800 --> 00:28:10.800 know, everyone wants to get to Christmas and the Christmas carols and 414 00:28:10.800 --> 00:28:13.300 stores are playing we're not going to stores right now, but stores 415 00:28:13.300 --> 00:28:17.400 are playing Christmas carols, you know, pretty early on. Everyone 416 00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:21.800 skips over Advent and these Advent hymns are really profound. So 417 00:28:21.800 --> 00:28:26.200 I encourage people to get to know these Advent hymns and to sing 418 00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:28.500 them because the theology the depth of them is just really 419 00:28:28.500 --> 00:28:28.800 outstanding. 420 00:28:28.800 --> 00:28:34.500 So O come O come Emmanuel is is no exception and it's based on the 421 00:28:34.500 --> 00:28:39.400 historical O Antiphons. Antiphons that were sung with him the Magnificat 422 00:28:39.400 --> 00:28:44.400 from evening prayer throughout history and they were one every 423 00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:44.500 day. 424 00:28:45.300 --> 00:28:50.900 Starting December 17th up until Christmas. And those Antiphons 425 00:28:50.900 --> 00:28:56.400 actually are the inspiration for the stanzas of the hymn. And so it 426 00:28:56.400 --> 00:29:00.600 talks about different workings of God different Old Testament 427 00:29:00.600 --> 00:29:06.300 narratives that are invoked. God is wisdom. God at, I'm just looking 428 00:29:06.300 --> 00:29:07.500 here at the text. 429 00:29:07.500 --> 00:29:13.800 So the O Antiphons. Oh wisdom. Oh Adonai. Oh root of Jesse. O Key of 430 00:29:13.800 --> 00:29:19.500 David and that one is talking about releasing prisoners O say spring 431 00:29:19.500 --> 00:29:23.100 light everlasting and lightning the darkness. And all of those 432 00:29:23.100 --> 00:29:29.700 Antiphons end with come so there again inviting God's and invoking 433 00:29:29.700 --> 00:29:33.500 God's work again through Jesus Christ that ongoing work that's happeneing. 434 00:29:33.500 --> 00:29:40.700 So those are versus. Yes, because there's a refrain rejoice, rejoice Emmanuel shall 435 00:29:40.700 --> 00:29:41.600 come to thee O Israel. 436 00:29:41.600 --> 00:29:42.200 Yes. Over the year this really has 437 00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:49.400 grown with me I have I have written devotions for my Meyer Minute on 438 00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:56.000 on O Come O Come Emmanuel. Veni, veni Emmanuel! Captivum solve 439 00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:56.900 Israel!. 440 00:29:56.900 --> 00:30:03.900 Qui gemit in exilio, Privatus Dei Filio, Gaude, gaude, Emmanuel 441 00:30:03.900 --> 00:30:04.700 nascetur Is born 442 00:30:04.700 --> 00:30:09.700 pro te, Israel. Right? Exactly right. This has been great. 443 00:30:09.700 --> 00:30:13.300 I thank you Doctor Marriott for being with us. And thank you our 444 00:30:13.300 --> 00:30:18.100 audience for joining us and staying true to point will leave you with 445 00:30:18.100 --> 00:30:21.000 O come O come Emmanuel from Doctor Marriott. 446 00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:26.600 I'm Dale Meyer and this has been Word and Work an Intersection. May 447 00:30:26.600 --> 00:30:28.300 the intersection of Word and Work 448 00:30:28.300 --> 00:30:31.100 be busy and blessed on your corner.