WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.630 --> 00:00:13.860 Mark Seifrid: Welcome guys we're going to translate and think about the episode reading for the second Sunday after Pentecost drawing from second Corinthians 413 to five one. 2 00:00:15.270 --> 00:00:23.680 Mark Seifrid: Just a couple of words about the context, this is paul's defensive himself as an apostle to the Corinthians they are not all that interested in Paul they prefer. 3 00:00:24.160 --> 00:00:43.330 Mark Seifrid: The apostolate claimants have made their way to the church and who seem to exude Christ power and Paul is the Apostle of weakness and in the passage with which you're dealing Paul is presenting is epidemic ministry to them in for one through. 4 00:00:44.560 --> 00:00:45.490 Mark Seifrid: his team. 5 00:00:46.750 --> 00:01:04.480 Mark Seifrid: He presents himself as the proclaimers of Christ in 416 on through 510 he presents himself as the one who bears hope in his body and life, just as he bears Christ in his body in life, in fact. 6 00:01:06.190 --> 00:01:14.680 Mark Seifrid: of common other lf swatter in his commentary on second Corinthians the title of the commentary is Paul the messenger of Jesus. 7 00:01:15.850 --> 00:01:28.540 Mark Seifrid: comments on this dynamic when he says, Paul for the message of Jesus, not only with his mouth, but in his body in life and that's what we're going to see in our text so our text actually then. 8 00:01:30.010 --> 00:01:39.430 Mark Seifrid: moves, as I said, between two sections and the context is important i'm going to move back up just a little bit in our text, I think you can see. 9 00:01:41.020 --> 00:01:55.330 Mark Seifrid: and move through this part quickly, so we can get to the the proper text of the proper for the day, but I want to at least back up a little bit 246 as I can see now on the screen. 10 00:01:57.130 --> 00:02:08.410 Mark Seifrid: Because the god, who said, let light shine out of darkness understood is the one who shown in our hearts of speaking with himself. 11 00:02:09.280 --> 00:02:18.520 Mark Seifrid: For the illumination of the light of the knowledge of the glory of God, in the person or in the face of Jesus Christ, the process can mean both. 12 00:02:19.300 --> 00:02:30.340 Mark Seifrid: person and face and he's referring back to his earlier discussion of the new covenant with which has been entrusted, as the House Oh, and speaking himself of himself now. 13 00:02:31.060 --> 00:02:39.430 Mark Seifrid: As the bearer of this message it's presented in terms of life in terms of god's work in his heart and he goes on to describe. 14 00:02:40.030 --> 00:02:54.520 Mark Seifrid: The nature of his bearing this message for seven we have this treasure of the knowledge of God, in the person of Christ in earthen vessels cheap were. 15 00:02:55.330 --> 00:03:11.500 Mark Seifrid: Not something expensive in order that the good populate this surpassing thing of the power of God might be this is this is me the surpassing thing of power might be of God and that i'm us and then he goes on to describe his. 16 00:03:12.520 --> 00:03:18.310 Mark Seifrid: situation is his role as an apostle in weakness in everything. 17 00:03:19.390 --> 00:03:25.420 Mark Seifrid: afflicted or you could even translate this burden above annoying but not constrained. 18 00:03:26.440 --> 00:03:37.900 Mark Seifrid: And you can see that the language is paradoxical at a loss, but not entirely at a loss verse nine persecuted, but not forsaken. 19 00:03:38.950 --> 00:03:50.680 Mark Seifrid: Cast down struck down but not destroyed and then verse 10 is the critical one here for us also has always bearing toronto's bearing about. 20 00:03:51.520 --> 00:04:04.360 Mark Seifrid: Carrying about always caring about in the body until so mighty 10 Nikos into a suit the I want to translate this as the deadness of Jesus doesn't use the word. 21 00:04:04.780 --> 00:04:16.180 Mark Seifrid: Fantastic stuff but the deadness of Jesus Jesus as the crucified one quote, of course, lives but he's pointing to the reality of Jesus as the crucified one who lives. 22 00:04:17.260 --> 00:04:24.250 Mark Seifrid: He various about in his body, the deadness of Jesus, second part of the verse in order that the life of Jesus. 23 00:04:27.130 --> 00:04:32.380 Mark Seifrid: might be manifest in our body speaking in the plural, of course, because. 24 00:04:33.430 --> 00:04:38.710 Mark Seifrid: he's not the only apostle he's describing the nature of episodic Ministry. 25 00:04:41.500 --> 00:04:47.590 Mark Seifrid: And when he speaks and then verse 11 getting close to our text, we always we who live. 26 00:04:48.640 --> 00:04:58.780 Mark Seifrid: are always being delivered over the death and a kind of Jesus and order, the Jesus lightning with the life of the resurrection might be manifest in our mortal flesh. 27 00:04:59.110 --> 00:05:08.320 Mark Seifrid: it's your call second Corinthians 12 nine and 10 the words of the risen Jesus to Paul who asks him to remove the thorn in his flesh Jesus replies. 28 00:05:08.950 --> 00:05:19.780 Mark Seifrid: Power is my power is made perfect in weakness, and this is the possible of weakness in that, in whom the then Christ power is present that's the dynamic here. 29 00:05:22.780 --> 00:05:24.940 Mark Seifrid: So he bears about the the. 30 00:05:27.310 --> 00:05:36.250 Mark Seifrid: He his body, the dentists of Jesus, we live in bluto to death kind of Jesus and Jesus life might be manifest in our mortal flesh. 31 00:05:38.110 --> 00:05:48.790 Mark Seifrid: The verse just before I pick up so that death is at work in us and, like the new and he's about to explain that, as we move into this into our reading for. 32 00:05:49.540 --> 00:06:04.180 Mark Seifrid: The second Sunday after Pentecost it's important to see that context with it's not just a general statement of Christians in general, this is about the Apostle whom the Corinthians that are on the verge of rejecting So there we are at our text. 33 00:06:07.150 --> 00:06:09.400 Mark Seifrid: So, in spite of all this, now we have the background. 34 00:06:10.540 --> 00:06:17.260 Mark Seifrid: contest at our top new my taste pistol us Qatar time goodbye men on was there. 35 00:06:19.960 --> 00:06:29.890 Mark Seifrid: Having we'll just leave it neutral, we could say something we can, since we have causal but it's fine having the same spirit of faith. 36 00:06:30.850 --> 00:06:47.320 Mark Seifrid: And about the P, and what the pie is not capitalized on to my here, we should capitalize, it is the S in English, having the same spirit, now the smallest, but the spirit of God, the spirit of faith. 37 00:06:48.010 --> 00:06:55.960 Mark Seifrid: According to that which is written, and then we have a citation from the step to generate some 115 in the. 38 00:06:59.260 --> 00:07:11.260 Mark Seifrid: Hebrew texts itself 116 and there's variation in verses here as well, a pesticide do not allow this up, I believed, therefore, I spoke. 39 00:07:13.660 --> 00:07:18.190 Mark Seifrid: So, having the same spirit of faith according to that was. 40 00:07:20.050 --> 00:07:24.880 Mark Seifrid: Written I believed, therefore, I spoke we to the Chi here. 41 00:07:26.650 --> 00:07:27.850 Mark Seifrid: is not a conjunction. 42 00:07:29.710 --> 00:07:34.390 Mark Seifrid: But is functioning at verbally we to believe. 43 00:07:36.430 --> 00:07:40.960 Mark Seifrid: And therefore we speak again it's a reference self reference but inclusive of. 44 00:07:42.430 --> 00:07:44.590 Mark Seifrid: All apostles are two apostles. 45 00:07:46.510 --> 00:07:51.580 Mark Seifrid: it's rather striking that Paul leaves the samosas out. 46 00:07:52.600 --> 00:07:59.560 Mark Seifrid: it's the spirit alone, but he mentions the spirit of faith verse 13 there's a know that it's present. 47 00:08:00.190 --> 00:08:09.160 Mark Seifrid: In the Solomon and Paul sides, but this almost is sort of pause obscures the summit and focuses upon the spirit of faith. 48 00:08:09.880 --> 00:08:25.120 Mark Seifrid: Who, we also have Paul says, I believe, therefore, I spoke in context of the song rather remarkable that product inside it further this Armor says, I believed when I said I am greatly afflicted now. 49 00:08:27.070 --> 00:08:29.530 Mark Seifrid: In which fits Paul steam, and even goes on to say. 50 00:08:30.790 --> 00:08:39.940 Mark Seifrid: All men are liars all people human beings are liars, but I think precisely because he is focusing on the spirit was present in the song. 51 00:08:42.160 --> 00:08:53.020 Mark Seifrid: Recently, leaves off background of the affliction of the Solomon he sent the pharmacist, in the same circumstances the Apostle is now I believed, therefore, I spoke. 52 00:08:55.630 --> 00:09:02.470 Mark Seifrid: We to believe, therefore, also we speak it's going to go on to say that we live, not by. 53 00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:07.990 Mark Seifrid: By faith, not by sight, not by what we can see. 54 00:09:10.150 --> 00:09:15.760 Mark Seifrid: What we believe and know and understand is the spirit opens our hearts to the word. 55 00:09:17.440 --> 00:09:27.130 Mark Seifrid: The word of the Gospel so Paul is this apostle in weakness nevertheless speaks and that comes out in the next verse than. 56 00:09:28.870 --> 00:09:39.010 Mark Seifrid: Knowing that I thought test hottie it gave us to carry on you soon Okay, it must ensue a giri Chi power sensation. 57 00:09:41.710 --> 00:09:46.690 Mark Seifrid: For we know and we could take the doctors, the participle here. 58 00:09:48.760 --> 00:09:49.990 Mark Seifrid: As explanatory. 59 00:09:52.930 --> 00:09:54.490 Mark Seifrid: Speak knowing this. 60 00:09:57.160 --> 00:09:57.880 Mark Seifrid: Knowing. 61 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:05.050 Mark Seifrid: That the one who raised the Lord Jesus gave us 10 carry on us and. 62 00:10:06.250 --> 00:10:08.410 Mark Seifrid: Also, the Chi again here. 63 00:10:10.090 --> 00:10:18.430 Mark Seifrid: is quite clearly a verbal also shall raise us some issue with Jesus our resurrection is. 64 00:10:20.020 --> 00:10:36.100 Mark Seifrid: In separately bound to the resurrection of Jesus Christ Paris Stacy and shall present understood us, since you mean it's Paul is with Jesus and and the Corinthians with Paul and their PR with Jesus. 65 00:10:37.870 --> 00:10:49.750 Mark Seifrid: Be he he will not go to heaven, without them, who does not want to come without the Corinthians they are bound to him by his apostolic labors and by the words. 66 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:57.760 Mark Seifrid: And he's communicating that to them, he shall present us with you, this is a word more of hope and confidence and faith that it is. 67 00:10:59.020 --> 00:11:01.960 Mark Seifrid: Based on any sort of behavior the Corinthians at this point. 68 00:11:04.600 --> 00:11:11.320 Mark Seifrid: And he and he emphasizes the with you, since you mean in verse 15. 69 00:11:13.780 --> 00:11:23.620 Mark Seifrid: Like our punter D him us for all things are on account of view, it could almost hear Romans eight all things work together for good. 70 00:11:26.890 --> 00:11:34.330 Mark Seifrid: everything's for the sake of the Corinthians first Corinthians three near the end of things are, for your sake. 71 00:11:35.230 --> 00:11:45.820 Mark Seifrid: he's saying the same thing here, everything that is happening, good for their eyes, with the Apostle of weakness is suffering and deliverance is an account of them for their sake. 72 00:11:47.170 --> 00:12:06.700 Mark Seifrid: And then he explains it, what is this all things happening on a kind of view Hema a congress pay or NASA the town town on teen you curse Steven Perry susi a sitting duck son to a coup that the grace. 73 00:12:12.910 --> 00:12:33.100 Mark Seifrid: play on NASA is this is from play on that so obviously it's an era of active participle and this verb we want to take a look at the dunk our lexicon just now, but you can put A to B to C, as with any major lexicon this verb. 74 00:12:35.260 --> 00:12:43.930 Mark Seifrid: Sometimes is intransitive simply to increase, but it can also have a transitive meeting cause to increase. 75 00:12:45.040 --> 00:12:48.670 Mark Seifrid: And so, this verb has finally as its object. 76 00:12:50.800 --> 00:12:55.690 Mark Seifrid: teen christiane you thanksgiving the grace. 77 00:12:57.520 --> 00:13:00.010 Mark Seifrid: which is causing the thanksgiving. 78 00:13:07.540 --> 00:13:10.240 Mark Seifrid: Through the many yet Tom play on know. 79 00:13:23.050 --> 00:13:35.860 Mark Seifrid: grace, which is causing the thanksgiving to increase to the many it's, of course, the subject here hey Chris is number two here is to say my abound. 80 00:13:37.060 --> 00:13:49.090 Mark Seifrid: To the glory of God so there's he's being emphatic here he's he's got to increases different verbs but the grace, one more time for all things around and kind of view. 81 00:13:50.590 --> 00:13:52.150 Mark Seifrid: In order that the grace. 82 00:13:53.590 --> 00:13:58.090 Mark Seifrid: might cause thanksgiving to abound, to the money. 83 00:13:59.290 --> 00:14:00.370 Mark Seifrid: But this grace might. 84 00:14:01.690 --> 00:14:20.320 Mark Seifrid: Let me rephrase that with the roads across to make it clear and grace, which is, which is causing thanksgiving to abound through the money mainly the Corinthians the grace, which is causing thanksgiving to abound, to the money might increase to the glory of God. 85 00:14:21.880 --> 00:14:25.510 Mark Seifrid: is emphatically stating that this is for their benefit. 86 00:14:26.710 --> 00:14:32.800 Mark Seifrid: For the glory of God, and at the same time, you can see, calling them to thanksgiving here. 87 00:14:34.240 --> 00:14:38.410 Mark Seifrid: I hope I made that clear enough it's quite it's quite complicated sentence. 88 00:14:40.630 --> 00:14:52.090 Mark Seifrid: That, and you can tell by the tone of it already, but it is something of a statement of closure, he has just gotten done describing his speaking. 89 00:14:53.320 --> 00:15:01.240 Mark Seifrid: Is bearing the message of Christ, with his words and mouth, I believe, therefore, I speak, all these things are for you. 90 00:15:04.660 --> 00:15:10.690 Mark Seifrid: The grace that causes thanksgiving to a creek increase might have bound through this to the glory of God. 91 00:15:12.040 --> 00:15:21.100 Mark Seifrid: And now he's going to turn the page and speak about how he bears the message of Jesus in his body in life. 92 00:15:22.030 --> 00:15:35.350 Mark Seifrid: The sentence taking up the theme from for 10 bearing in his body, the deadness of Jesus and now describing the whole of it really a passage that we just looked at before we got to the proper. 93 00:15:36.820 --> 00:15:38.470 Mark Seifrid: So there's a turn and page here. 94 00:15:42.490 --> 00:16:00.370 Mark Seifrid: there's a you know I we won't have to explore right now how you handle this and preaching but it's important to see both the background and then the shift there, Dr book inca cool man, therefore, we do not fail. 95 00:16:05.050 --> 00:16:09.400 Mark Seifrid: I know that the espn I think the an IV as well. 96 00:16:10.450 --> 00:16:14.410 Mark Seifrid: translate that says, we do not lose heart or something like that. 97 00:16:15.430 --> 00:16:29.020 Mark Seifrid: But the more proper sense of this verb and it correlates with what he says in for one which we didn't go back to look at is that we don't fail and for one he's speaking about his potential moral failure. 98 00:16:30.130 --> 00:16:44.170 Mark Seifrid: That he somehow we deviate from the Gospel or from Christ and from God here, he is quite clearly speaking about his mortal or potential mortal failure that he might. 99 00:16:45.250 --> 00:17:08.170 Mark Seifrid: die and disappear it's he'll he'll go on to speak of confidence in the text further down, but the thrust of his argument here has to do with his earthly condition and it's much better to translate this verb in terms of Therefore, we do not fail, understood as paling as human beings. 100 00:17:10.060 --> 00:17:15.220 Mark Seifrid: To even exist or live and that born out by the next line. 101 00:17:17.410 --> 00:17:22.060 Mark Seifrid: A cane hot excel human on the past, the age. 102 00:17:23.950 --> 00:17:32.920 Mark Seifrid: Of so him on and then can tie and Mira Mira, so, but even if. 103 00:17:34.180 --> 00:17:34.990 A guy here. 104 00:17:36.550 --> 00:17:38.320 Mark Seifrid: it's a conservative, but even if. 105 00:17:41.350 --> 00:17:43.780 Mark Seifrid: Our outer person. 106 00:17:45.970 --> 00:17:53.530 Mark Seifrid: Translating under process person because it's it's gender neutral captures the sense here have been pretty well. 107 00:17:56.320 --> 00:17:59.830 Mark Seifrid: it's more it's better than them or awkward awkward human being. 108 00:18:01.210 --> 00:18:01.930 Mark Seifrid: I suppose it. 109 00:18:02.980 --> 00:18:14.380 Mark Seifrid: outward man still make sense, but I think we hear that differently now, even if our outward person the affair, a tie, we have very high. 110 00:18:16.660 --> 00:18:25.900 Mark Seifrid: is often translated as something like decaying or something like that, but that's also not a good rendering of this verb. 111 00:18:30.190 --> 00:18:36.820 Mark Seifrid: If the best rendering is if our other person is being destroyed. 112 00:18:38.440 --> 00:18:40.630 Mark Seifrid: it's the passive present. 113 00:18:41.950 --> 00:18:46.420 Mark Seifrid: And you can see the verb playable inside it and. 114 00:18:46.960 --> 00:19:06.970 Mark Seifrid: The prep the preposition uses a verbal prefix prefix here, Dr only strengthens the verb you have this was a phenomenon of the Hellenistic period, he started getting these compound verbs with the prefixes as strengthening forums, so this, even if our outward person is being destroyed. 115 00:19:08.200 --> 00:19:18.910 Mark Seifrid: see that most boat commented that most of the way from some sort of direct reference to getting old or something like that that's not what Paul is talking about we know this already from the context. 116 00:19:20.050 --> 00:19:22.240 Mark Seifrid: he's talking about being subjected to that. 117 00:19:23.800 --> 00:19:34.150 Mark Seifrid: being subjected to trials and hardships as an apostle of Christ, and he is still speaking about himself So even if our outward person is being destroyed. 118 00:19:39.610 --> 00:19:59.710 Mark Seifrid: i'll hot so him on he doesn't need to repeat on footpaths you save the pirates by not writing it down again, and everyone knows that the implied noun here with the article is on the bus, but our inward our inner entrepreneurs our inner person, and I can tie. 119 00:20:01.330 --> 00:20:11.050 Mark Seifrid: is being made, new again restored day by day now, you can see how the rendering of BF there a tie. 120 00:20:12.940 --> 00:20:23.260 Mark Seifrid: being destroyed is paired with corresponds to an a kind of tie this is being made, new again restored. 121 00:20:24.880 --> 00:20:30.250 Mark Seifrid: Not just strengthened but we created, so to speak, made a new. 122 00:20:31.450 --> 00:20:35.710 Mark Seifrid: America America day by day I. 123 00:20:36.940 --> 00:20:41.980 Mark Seifrid: I suppose, with the rendering the usual rendering of via through a tight as. 124 00:20:43.990 --> 00:20:45.370 Mark Seifrid: Being worn down. 125 00:20:46.570 --> 00:20:52.240 Mark Seifrid: is being declining or something like this that we think of him our K humaira. 126 00:20:53.800 --> 00:20:55.360 Mark Seifrid: Data but day by day. 127 00:20:57.400 --> 00:21:05.350 Mark Seifrid: As some sort of progressive decline that's why it's tend to we tend to read this as a reference to getting older. 128 00:21:06.550 --> 00:21:07.000 Mark Seifrid: And although. 129 00:21:09.100 --> 00:21:14.320 Mark Seifrid: That reading does correspond to the experience of getting older, many ways that's not what paul's talking about again. 130 00:21:16.750 --> 00:21:30.220 Mark Seifrid: isn't my question is interpretively isn't that much more likely that the day by day is iterative we won't go back and scroll up, but he talks about, always bearing about in this body, the Dennis of Jesus. 131 00:21:32.350 --> 00:21:38.740 Mark Seifrid: being struck down but not destroyed being afflicted but not without the not constrain. 132 00:21:40.720 --> 00:21:48.760 Mark Seifrid: Cast down but not destroyed and and so forth, so it is referring my argument is it's pretty straightforward the context bears it. 133 00:21:51.640 --> 00:22:02.350 Mark Seifrid: he's referring to his experience as an apostle again and again, even if our outward person is i'm using the America never again and again. 134 00:22:03.010 --> 00:22:20.440 Mark Seifrid: destroyed but, nevertheless, but our inner person is made new and it also corresponds doesn't it to his word at the beginning of our record P, I believed, therefore, I spoke at we to believe, therefore, we speak. 135 00:22:21.670 --> 00:22:22.510 Mark Seifrid: be the. 136 00:22:23.590 --> 00:22:31.300 Mark Seifrid: In a person whom Christ and faith our presence speaks in spite of the outward affliction and circumstances. 137 00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:39.220 Mark Seifrid: I should note before we move on just a small not not much crime or anything like that that. 138 00:22:41.470 --> 00:22:49.000 Mark Seifrid: This language of outer and inner person has goes back to at least to Plato. 139 00:22:50.920 --> 00:23:07.630 Mark Seifrid: it's taken up by fellow Jewish philosopher roughly contemporaneous with Paul and in the book of maccabees little bit earlier, we find it as well, maybe this earlier but roughly the same time frame so was had been borrowed in Jewish context already. 140 00:23:09.310 --> 00:23:13.420 Mark Seifrid: Paul almost certainly is aware that it's Platonic language. 141 00:23:14.770 --> 00:23:33.310 Mark Seifrid: But he's obviously using it for his own purposes for Plato, the difference between the outer person and the inner is between the material person and the world of ideas for Paul the distinction between the outer person and the inward one is between life in this present world. 142 00:23:34.780 --> 00:23:42.280 Mark Seifrid: And the life of the age to come mainly the resurrection of the dead, which is already present in faith. 143 00:23:43.960 --> 00:23:45.280 Mark Seifrid: In our hearts. 144 00:23:46.720 --> 00:24:03.100 Mark Seifrid: it's not merely our hearts, it is the resurrection of the dead, that is present in our hearts, let me put it that way that pulse when they speak of that right at the end of the recovery that we're dealing with so just a note on the language, though. 145 00:24:04.210 --> 00:24:12.970 Mark Seifrid: I should add, I should have said at the outset, you realize that I have a commentary on second Corinthians and, if you want to follow a new these things up and there's some things I can't. 146 00:24:13.270 --> 00:24:19.840 Mark Seifrid: wait to hear you know you're free to go to the commentary and look at them and see at least for that, but I have to say. 147 00:24:22.150 --> 00:24:27.580 Mark Seifrid: And I was going to have an explanation of what you just said in verse 16 is the the guard in verse 17. 148 00:24:28.720 --> 00:24:48.580 Mark Seifrid: plug a power power tika and are from taste fish sauce right have already early in the text taste owes him on our affliction cash, you have a lane is to pepper lane, I only on power us Doc says that a gadget I mean. 149 00:24:49.870 --> 00:24:52.930 Mark Seifrid: he's now going to downplay. 150 00:24:54.550 --> 00:25:06.760 Mark Seifrid: remark remarkably is afflictions in view of the weight of glory, so the car is that momentary transitory the femoral. 151 00:25:07.810 --> 00:25:13.900 Mark Seifrid: A lot fun life thing this is taught a lot from the these afflictions are. 152 00:25:15.580 --> 00:25:18.970 Mark Seifrid: momentarily like this momentary light thing. 153 00:25:20.020 --> 00:25:20.440 Mark Seifrid: thing. 154 00:25:21.490 --> 00:25:32.020 Mark Seifrid: thing of affliction this last one is like thing of affliction or four more precisely, like thing of oops oh yeah sorry about that. 155 00:25:35.560 --> 00:25:38.260 Mark Seifrid: I don't want what we just got here, let me go back. 156 00:25:39.430 --> 00:25:40.240 Mark Seifrid: No, I don't want that. 157 00:25:44.200 --> 00:25:46.330 Mark Seifrid: let's just go here, no. 158 00:25:48.130 --> 00:25:49.570 Mark Seifrid: No, no. 159 00:25:50.590 --> 00:25:55.750 Mark Seifrid: I don't want this we get other brad sorry I will get us back to the text. 160 00:25:59.710 --> 00:26:00.520 Mark Seifrid: Okay, here we go. 161 00:26:03.910 --> 00:26:06.190 Mark Seifrid: Where were we then verse 17 here. 162 00:26:09.490 --> 00:26:10.690 Mark Seifrid: So the momentary. 163 00:26:13.030 --> 00:26:18.220 Mark Seifrid: Light thing of about reflection and then, can you pep elaine elaine. 164 00:26:21.190 --> 00:26:26.530 Mark Seifrid: According to exceeding measure on to exceeding measure he speaking. 165 00:26:28.240 --> 00:26:31.210 Mark Seifrid: Quite clearly hyperbolic lead here. 166 00:26:32.710 --> 00:26:36.130 Mark Seifrid: In both literally and in a metaphorical sense he's. 167 00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:39.280 Mark Seifrid: According to exceeding measure. 168 00:26:40.630 --> 00:26:57.160 Mark Seifrid: Up to exceeding measure beyond measure, so to speak, and that's usually how it's translated it works if this has been to be taken with the verb kind of god's a type of it does this beyond measure, what does it do it works kind of god's it tied. 169 00:26:59.350 --> 00:27:08.440 Mark Seifrid: The prefix with a godzilla my makes it transitive it works, something it works an eternal boss. 170 00:27:09.700 --> 00:27:14.500 Mark Seifrid: weight of glory, and you can see the contrast between the protein. 171 00:27:15.520 --> 00:27:25.360 Mark Seifrid: And the only on momentary ephemeral and eternal and then fun like thing and the Bob Ross the weight. 172 00:27:26.530 --> 00:27:29.680 Mark Seifrid: eternal it works this eternal weight. 173 00:27:30.820 --> 00:27:40.270 Mark Seifrid: of glory, and it does it mean for us just a little note here on a couple notes, actually, starting with the boss, though. 174 00:27:43.060 --> 00:27:55.660 Mark Seifrid: Wait if you know your Hebrews and some you know something the term for glory in Hebrew is covered, which means weight and it's hard not to see Paul. 175 00:27:56.650 --> 00:28:11.020 Mark Seifrid: Being aware of this and playing off of it even notice corinthian readers might not have any awareness of this, but this is, this is one of these echoes that might have been in the mind of the possible that one can appreciate only by reflection, knowing the Hebrew but this weight of glory. 176 00:28:14.260 --> 00:28:17.650 Mark Seifrid: sort of resonates with the Hebrew term for glory couple. 177 00:28:18.760 --> 00:28:26.290 Mark Seifrid: And likewise flip SIS earlier this momentary light thing of witnesses sepsis. 178 00:28:28.090 --> 00:28:37.270 Mark Seifrid: bears connotations, you can look in the lexicon of a burden or something heavy, just as the corresponding Hebrew term Sarah also. 179 00:28:38.350 --> 00:28:46.420 Mark Seifrid: bears overtones of something heavy So you can see how, in both halves he's using the image of waiter heaviness and then the first instance. 180 00:28:47.650 --> 00:28:48.820 Mark Seifrid: Under stating. 181 00:28:50.770 --> 00:28:57.970 Mark Seifrid: The nature of his afflictions we should remind ourselves that he bears the death sentence and himself he's told the Corinthians That would be a letter. 182 00:28:59.200 --> 00:28:59.680 Mark Seifrid: and 183 00:29:01.360 --> 00:29:11.770 Mark Seifrid: he's both given his list of hardships earlier in this chapter have come back to them in Chapter six and, of course, in his the pool speech in chapter. 184 00:29:12.220 --> 00:29:25.060 Mark Seifrid: 11 we hear more of them, so what he's going through is not at all life in human terms, but in terms of the faith of is expressing his late and he contrasts it then with this eternal weight of glory. 185 00:29:26.710 --> 00:29:31.630 Mark Seifrid: Obviously, the side comment just in terms of preaching communicating this. 186 00:29:32.890 --> 00:29:43.990 Mark Seifrid: go, we are not the Apostle and we don't have the apostles experience and most Christians, that we know haven't gone through what the Apostle has gone through, although. 187 00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:55.000 Mark Seifrid: There are good number of Christians in this world, even among us where we are going to have gone through or are going through very, very difficult times. 188 00:29:55.960 --> 00:30:04.420 Mark Seifrid: That we should the covert crisis, and so, how do you bridge the gap between the past long as we don't want to immediately identify ourselves with the text. 189 00:30:04.930 --> 00:30:21.250 Mark Seifrid: Because if we do that we missed the comfort of the Apostle is giving oh here's here's my point Paul can speak this comfort to us refer you to Chapter one in the opening blessing of God, Paul can speak this comfort to us. 190 00:30:22.870 --> 00:30:30.850 Mark Seifrid: Because of the company that has come to him in Christ, and the comfort that comes to him and price comes precisely in the midst of his sufferings. 191 00:30:31.660 --> 00:30:48.340 Mark Seifrid: The sufferings of Christ, which are his in abundance it's out of this man and his experience that these words come and they come to us as comfort, precisely because they come through him, I think you understand what i'm saying. 192 00:30:49.360 --> 00:30:59.470 Mark Seifrid: had been be opponents, that would have been no conflict in it would have been off theory but becomes because it comes through call it bears rich comfort that's the point. 193 00:31:00.730 --> 00:31:02.470 Mark Seifrid: Okay verse 18. 194 00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:08.860 Mark Seifrid: And there's a turning point, after that, but we're still in the same section here. 195 00:31:09.790 --> 00:31:25.060 Mark Seifrid: So what do we do, what do we eat and Paul speaking of those in the past, or whether we do as apostles with instance communicating himself to the Corinthians may school tone him on top, the pomona a lot take me that long. 196 00:31:26.410 --> 00:31:34.810 Mark Seifrid: To God bless pamela plus kyra how they made that Mr o'neill same contrast so. 197 00:31:36.040 --> 00:31:37.480 Mark Seifrid: Maybe we could take this. 198 00:31:44.170 --> 00:31:55.390 Mark Seifrid: And verbal construction obviously a genitive absolutely attached to the preceding verb kind of god's attack it's working for us is eternal weight of glory maybe we could take this. 199 00:31:56.470 --> 00:32:06.070 Mark Seifrid: And rubio construction the hardest on made stuff hometown in mind, while we temporarily, while we are, as we look. 200 00:32:07.660 --> 00:32:13.030 Mark Seifrid: can render it more generally, as a general conditions is what we do, as this is happening, we. 201 00:32:14.860 --> 00:32:18.550 Mark Seifrid: are not looking may skip town. 202 00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:24.610 Mark Seifrid: Upon, we have to have a preposition this tablet harmonize the things that are seeing. 203 00:32:25.750 --> 00:32:28.990 Mark Seifrid: Which is, of course, one more time precisely what the Corinthians are doing. 204 00:32:30.220 --> 00:32:37.840 Mark Seifrid: A lot Tommy bahama so we have a view to we look upon not the things that i've seen, but the thing. 205 00:32:38.980 --> 00:32:40.090 Mark Seifrid: That are not seen. 206 00:32:41.560 --> 00:32:43.060 Mark Seifrid: And then you can see the explanation. 207 00:32:44.290 --> 00:32:55.210 Mark Seifrid: gar top of having a costco are the same things the things which are seen visible across Kara their temporal. 208 00:32:56.770 --> 00:33:07.720 Mark Seifrid: And or, but that is just a continuation, but we probably would render this is about here, but the things that are not seeing eye o'neill are eternal. 209 00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:12.190 Mark Seifrid: One more time on Plato he's not. 210 00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:15.040 Mark Seifrid: he's not talking about. 211 00:33:16.060 --> 00:33:21.580 Mark Seifrid: Ideas being eternal he's talking about god's promises. 212 00:33:23.710 --> 00:33:33.940 Mark Seifrid: Come to fulfillment in the resurrection of Jesus and the resurrection that then belongs to us through Jesus as the eternal things life of the age to come. 213 00:33:34.750 --> 00:33:41.890 Mark Seifrid: Again, one more time on the distinction between problem Plato is Paul has the hope of the life of the age to come and resurrection them. 214 00:33:43.540 --> 00:33:43.930 Mark Seifrid: Okay. 215 00:33:45.370 --> 00:33:46.540 Mark Seifrid: To our last verse here. 216 00:33:48.310 --> 00:34:01.240 Mark Seifrid: Are the manga hottie on hey happy gas him on Ikea to ski news cuddle with a applies there so for written more explanation you can see how. 217 00:34:02.470 --> 00:34:12.370 Mark Seifrid: Five one is still connected to for 18 here, for we know he's explaining what this is why we have our eyes fixed on the things that are unseen, for we know. 218 00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:28.570 Mark Seifrid: That and then you've got a clause inside the clauses that party clouds, we know that a noun clause and it's got a conditional inside the closet big claws with a little flies inside and it's not that small that. 219 00:34:29.680 --> 00:34:33.910 Mark Seifrid: If it's if it should be on so this present general condition. 220 00:34:35.950 --> 00:34:37.210 Mark Seifrid: If the. 221 00:34:38.770 --> 00:34:45.280 Mark Seifrid: earthly of US Ikea this earthly Ikea and the question how do we render Ikea here. 222 00:34:46.900 --> 00:34:50.620 Mark Seifrid: i'm going to I prefer to render it and I don't I haven't checked it versions. 223 00:34:52.660 --> 00:35:06.010 Mark Seifrid: dwelling he's going to he's going to use three turns terms for living space he's got Ikea here right and then he's going to modify it almost immediately with two scanners have a tent. 224 00:35:07.990 --> 00:35:10.960 Mark Seifrid: And then he's going to go on to speak of an ECHO domain. 225 00:35:12.340 --> 00:35:15.400 Mark Seifrid: So three different terms for living space, the first one. 226 00:35:16.420 --> 00:35:22.900 Mark Seifrid: Is the general one, this is our earthly dwelling place, we might say. 227 00:35:24.190 --> 00:35:33.910 Mark Seifrid: This earthly dwelling place of a tent here, I would take the genitive to scan news or dimension so it's it's a different ending. 228 00:35:35.260 --> 00:35:45.880 Mark Seifrid: This earthly doing pace of attend surely has to be an exegetical genitive the 10th is explaining what this dwelling place is. 229 00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:59.410 Mark Seifrid: This currently dwelling place which is nothing other than a tax got so we know that if this earthly dwelling place, which is a tent kind of a thing. 230 00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:04.720 Mark Seifrid: The word for being destroyed is swallowed up. 231 00:36:05.980 --> 00:36:06.610 Mark Seifrid: destroyed. 232 00:36:07.720 --> 00:36:09.100 Mark Seifrid: If then. 233 00:36:10.150 --> 00:36:16.720 Mark Seifrid: Protestants and now the then like a domain ooh ECHO man. 234 00:36:18.280 --> 00:36:26.230 Mark Seifrid: We have an ICO domain accusative we have a house, I want to translate now. 235 00:36:28.330 --> 00:36:48.940 Mark Seifrid: permanent structure, you get it and we're going to have to end this verse, but we have this building accessible from God OK domain comments about you have you have you have your conditional if if this is so, we have this if this. 236 00:36:50.650 --> 00:36:55.600 Mark Seifrid: Our earthly dwelling up, which is nothing other than intention be destroyed, we have a building. 237 00:36:56.770 --> 00:36:57.580 Mark Seifrid: Accept boo. 238 00:36:59.230 --> 00:37:02.410 Mark Seifrid: me comment on this just all that before we get to the end of the passage. 239 00:37:04.690 --> 00:37:08.530 Mark Seifrid: His confidence in this early 20s we have it, we have it as cause some. 240 00:37:09.730 --> 00:37:12.190 Mark Seifrid: discussion among commentators interpreters. 241 00:37:13.750 --> 00:37:14.830 Mark Seifrid: Is there some sort of. 242 00:37:15.850 --> 00:37:23.350 Mark Seifrid: Immediate entrance into the resurrected state it's hard to hard hard to defend that, because just on the page process we. 243 00:37:23.860 --> 00:37:33.940 Mark Seifrid: prefer to be absent from the body and present with the lord's that obviously implies that there is an intermediate state in which we are separated from our bodies, even though we live. 244 00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:39.190 Mark Seifrid: Or is it some of our suggested some sort of. 245 00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:56.500 Mark Seifrid: spiritual garment almost drawn from gnostic right, that is not a resurrection body, yet, but it's some sort of body I don't think that this works very well either I I have this simple reading the, this is the competence of faith. 246 00:37:58.120 --> 00:38:05.110 Mark Seifrid: That because Jesus is raised this is this vision that we just celebrated we have. 247 00:38:06.490 --> 00:38:13.960 Mark Seifrid: A house from God in fact there's a certain resonance here, especially with john to that Paul is aware of it. 248 00:38:15.070 --> 00:38:16.180 Mark Seifrid: With Jesus saying to. 249 00:38:17.410 --> 00:38:20.890 Mark Seifrid: tear down this destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up. 250 00:38:23.380 --> 00:38:28.000 Mark Seifrid: Jesus or proxies me Paul here, I think, is thinking of the Lord as the. 251 00:38:29.200 --> 00:38:34.990 Mark Seifrid: unconditioned assurance that we have this thing called dumais from God so that's my little comment on that. 252 00:38:37.030 --> 00:38:37.390 Mark Seifrid: Sorry. 253 00:38:41.500 --> 00:38:52.570 Mark Seifrid: And now we have an oppositional expression now he's going to go back he goes back to the general term Ikea, you see, we have this a good domain active whoo boy Qian. 254 00:38:53.950 --> 00:38:58.750 Mark Seifrid: I kind of appropriate ton I only on and toys noise. 255 00:39:00.040 --> 00:39:04.060 Mark Seifrid: Where Jesus, is the reason why we have a house. 256 00:39:07.060 --> 00:39:10.060 Mark Seifrid: Not made with hands are you getting. 257 00:39:11.170 --> 00:39:26.200 Mark Seifrid: A cooperate, and you can see if you know kira and play it Oh, you can see, not made with hands this dwelling place Ikea again not made with hands and toys toys in the heavens. 258 00:39:28.330 --> 00:39:34.660 Mark Seifrid: You know that it's a little curious than that Paul speaks of a house or excuse me a dwelling place not made with hands. 259 00:39:35.260 --> 00:39:55.570 Mark Seifrid: Because, of course, no one makes their body with their hands but that's to miss the metaphor that Paul is employing employing here he's quite clearly alluding to the temple and behind the transition from a scan a this dwelling place of a skinny attend. 260 00:39:58.030 --> 00:40:05.170 Mark Seifrid: Which is real tense, in which is we have lived in the wilderness, and God company then also was an attempt. 261 00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:07.150 Mark Seifrid: there's finally. 262 00:40:08.260 --> 00:40:29.080 Mark Seifrid: Under Solomon a building and I go domain, a temple so Paul is pretty clearly using the image of the transition from exodus to land to a permanent temple we have a building from God to this temple, which is an dwelling place. 263 00:40:30.130 --> 00:40:31.180 Mark Seifrid: A co creator. 264 00:40:33.250 --> 00:40:40.060 Mark Seifrid: House we have this House not made with hands that in some measure is drawn from. 265 00:40:41.860 --> 00:40:48.670 Mark Seifrid: polemic against idolizing the temple you find it in St stephen's speech in X seven. 266 00:40:50.950 --> 00:41:14.440 Mark Seifrid: In fact, that that expression and kind of appropriate toss is is used in the SAP Trojan in some places to render the Hebrew name the idols they are referred to them in the Greek as things made with hands, so this is, this is a warding off of idolatry. 267 00:41:15.520 --> 00:41:34.570 Mark Seifrid: And to put a point on it in interpreted it has to do with wanting the Corinthians away from idolizing their own lives and what they might construct as if this life were permanent or as if one could construct or excuse me construct one's own life. 268 00:41:36.910 --> 00:41:52.030 Mark Seifrid: For contemporary application, I can point you to a very nice essay by a spot buyer in roofing quarterly 1999 entitled the rupture of the times it's worth taking a look at and he took the notes that our contemporaries. 269 00:41:54.400 --> 00:42:05.410 Mark Seifrid: Are have fallen prey to this that, because just because they've rejected the notion that there was a God is sending them out or operate and live as if there is no God. 270 00:42:06.670 --> 00:42:08.830 Mark Seifrid: That doesn't mean they've escaped. 271 00:42:10.630 --> 00:42:15.820 Mark Seifrid: A God, they have to become their own God and create their own lives, they have to make their lives, but their own hands. 272 00:42:17.380 --> 00:42:23.080 Mark Seifrid: that's where the puppy ends there's more that could could follow but we'll leave it right there blessings to you. 273 00:42:24.670 --> 00:42:29.080 Mark Seifrid: hope to see you all back here on campus before too long, bye.