1 00:00:04,337 --> 00:00:11,211 And now I'd like to invite forward my brother, the Reverend Dr. Laerte Tardelli Voss, a native of 2 00:00:11,211 --> 00:00:11,578 Brazil. 3 00:00:11,745 --> 00:00:14,714 He has served in pastoral ministry since 2004. 4 00:00:15,815 --> 00:00:21,087 After completing his pastoral internship in Montevideo, Uruguay, he received a call to 5 00:00:21,087 --> 00:00:27,460 the U.S. to work in Hispanic church planting in Springdale, Arkansas, Mid-South District, 6 00:00:28,361 --> 00:00:31,831 where he served from 2004 to 2013. 7 00:00:32,866 --> 00:00:38,905 In 2014, he moved back to Brazil to work in urban church planting out of Copacabana, Rio 8 00:00:38,905 --> 00:00:39,606 de Janeiro. 9 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:45,712 Since December 2022, Pastor Tardele has been serving as Missionary Director of Lutheran 10 00:00:45,712 --> 00:00:47,714 Mission Society San Diego. 11 00:00:49,349 --> 00:00:55,789 Over the years, he has been a wonderful collaborator in a variety of ministries, including service, 12 00:00:55,789 --> 00:01:00,960 at least for some time, as my Vice President for the National Hispanic Convention. 13 00:01:01,227 --> 00:01:04,764 When he knew I was the President, he immediately took a call to Brazil after that. 14 00:01:05,799 --> 00:01:08,601 But for a while, we were collaborating interculturally. 15 00:01:12,572 --> 00:01:17,277 And he has been involved internationally with the pastoral leadership institute and also 16 00:01:17,277 --> 00:01:21,448 serves as a guest instructor for our Center for Hispanic Studies. 17 00:01:22,048 --> 00:01:27,887 He lives in San Diego with his wife, Diani, and their parents, Tunina, Benjamin, and Sarah. 18 00:01:28,254 --> 00:01:34,327 In addition to his bachelor degrees in theology from Seminario Concordia of our partner church 19 00:01:34,327 --> 00:01:40,600 in Brazil and the URBRA, the Lutheran University of Brazil, he holds a master's degree and 20 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:47,841 a Ph.D. in systematic theology from the Pontifical Catholic University of Rio de Janeiro, where 21 00:01:47,841 --> 00:01:51,578 he wrote on eschatology and also missiology. 22 00:01:52,345 --> 00:01:57,484 Please give a warm welcome to my friend and colleague, Dr. Tardele Voss. 23 00:02:10,597 --> 00:02:11,865 Thank you. 24 00:02:12,165 --> 00:02:12,532 Thank you. 25 00:02:13,066 --> 00:02:17,804 I am deeply honored to be part of this symposium, especially in the city of San Diego. 26 00:02:17,837 --> 00:02:23,476 I am honored to be here as a respondent to Professor Sanchez, whose insights have always 27 00:02:23,476 --> 00:02:31,484 inspired me so much, and especially on topics that hold such significance for my theological 28 00:02:31,484 --> 00:02:34,287 understanding and pastoral practice. 29 00:02:35,155 --> 00:02:44,964 Catholicity, migration, hospitality have profoundly shaped my ministry, my family's missionary 30 00:02:44,964 --> 00:02:49,269 approach, and also my life as immigrant. 31 00:02:50,637 --> 00:02:58,344 If it's true that by extending hospitality, some have entertained angels without knowing 32 00:02:58,344 --> 00:03:05,985 it, I would venture to say that those who extend hospitality are kind of angels themselves. 33 00:03:07,020 --> 00:03:14,227 And I'm grateful for the hospital angels in my life, some of whom are here today. 34 00:03:16,095 --> 00:03:22,302 Let me begin by stating that my intention is not to critique, but to add some colors, 35 00:03:22,669 --> 00:03:26,172 some verdi amarelo colors to this conversation. 36 00:03:27,273 --> 00:03:35,949 I find myself in alignment with and nourished by the thesis and insights brought forth by 37 00:03:35,949 --> 00:03:36,950 Professor Sanchez. 38 00:03:37,917 --> 00:03:42,755 So along with my applause, I offer the following comments. 39 00:03:45,992 --> 00:03:54,200 I commend the organization of ideas surrounding Catholicity in contemporary debate, as well 40 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,070 as the definitions provided in the introduction. 41 00:03:58,304 --> 00:04:06,312 While this symposium has chosen to focus on one aspect of Catholicity, rightfully so 42 00:04:06,312 --> 00:04:15,455 in my opinion, it's important not to lose sight of its multifaceted nature and to uphold 43 00:04:15,989 --> 00:04:17,924 an integrated perspective. 44 00:04:17,924 --> 00:04:27,900 As we advocate for the multi-ethnic church, let's resist the temptation of reducing the 45 00:04:27,900 --> 00:04:32,205 Catholicity to this or actually any other dimension. 46 00:04:33,906 --> 00:04:41,948 A holistic understanding of Catholicity is not only sound from a biblical, historical, 47 00:04:41,948 --> 00:04:50,523 and confessional standpoint, but beneficial to the multi-ethnic church and her call to 48 00:04:50,523 --> 00:04:52,392 practice hospitality. 49 00:04:54,927 --> 00:05:02,001 In laying the groundwork for the defense of hospitality, Professor Sanchez touches on 50 00:05:02,001 --> 00:05:09,275 the migratory reality surrounding us, presenting it as a sign of Catholicity. 51 00:05:10,276 --> 00:05:14,647 It is imperative for the church to be mindful of this reality. 52 00:05:16,482 --> 00:05:24,223 Perhaps we could further explore the potential that migration holds for the formation and 53 00:05:24,223 --> 00:05:25,291 the work of the church. 54 00:05:26,693 --> 00:05:34,600 There are numerous examples, both near and far, where immigrants have made positive impact 55 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,870 on Christian communities that have welcomed them. 56 00:05:39,505 --> 00:05:45,578 Additionally, there are anthropological and missiological elements that are worth of our 57 00:05:45,578 --> 00:05:49,015 attention when considering migratory movements. 58 00:05:50,249 --> 00:05:57,156 The book of Acts and the history of the church suggest a strong relationship between the 59 00:05:57,156 --> 00:06:01,594 work of the Holy Spirit and these migratory movements. 60 00:06:02,161 --> 00:06:11,904 I understand that some may harbor apprehensions about this and pastoral sensitivity is in 61 00:06:11,904 --> 00:06:12,305 place. 62 00:06:12,972 --> 00:06:19,212 However, we can embrace the age of migration with courage. 63 00:06:20,546 --> 00:06:25,351 Those who are on the move are oftentimes ripe for harvest. 64 00:06:25,918 --> 00:06:33,926 And this fact alone should capture our attention to the importance of being a safe haven for 65 00:06:34,460 --> 00:06:36,028 someone in transition. 66 00:06:38,264 --> 00:06:43,903 Professor Sanchez convincingly demonstrates that the themes of horizontal Catholicity, 67 00:06:44,971 --> 00:06:53,012 migration, and hospitality have a legitimate and profuse framework in Lutheran theology. 68 00:06:53,946 --> 00:07:02,188 I found it both precise and fascinating to uncover a pathway to comprehend and engage 69 00:07:02,188 --> 00:07:06,993 with these topics within the marks, the signs of the church. 70 00:07:09,028 --> 00:07:18,971 Moreover, to access the call to hospitality through Luther's lecture on Genesis 18 is 71 00:07:18,971 --> 00:07:22,074 clearly appropriate and effective. 72 00:07:23,509 --> 00:07:29,715 Thanks to the quality and relevance of Luther arguments masterfully elucidated by Professor 73 00:07:29,715 --> 00:07:36,756 Sanchez, we are provided with substantial material to explore what could constitute 74 00:07:37,356 --> 00:07:41,994 a robust Lutheran theology of hospitality. 75 00:07:43,329 --> 00:07:45,965 Now, let me just make a quick footnote here. 76 00:07:46,666 --> 00:07:53,539 At the same time we explore Luther's reading of Abraham hospitality, there arise a curiosity 77 00:07:53,539 --> 00:08:02,815 about what other potential Lutheran theological frameworks could be employed to develop a 78 00:08:02,815 --> 00:08:11,691 Lutheran ecclesiology that favors hospitality within the context of Catholicity and migration. 79 00:08:12,291 --> 00:08:19,298 What other texts, perhaps in our confessions, could add some extra chili and flavor for 80 00:08:20,032 --> 00:08:20,867 this conversation? 81 00:08:21,667 --> 00:08:29,542 But I'm not going to be going there, back to me Santissima Trinity here, Abraham, Luther, 82 00:08:29,775 --> 00:08:30,276 and Sanchez. 83 00:08:33,613 --> 00:08:41,687 We can resonate, for instance, with Luther's understanding of the Christian theology of 84 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:48,628 Abraham. 85 00:08:48,628 --> 00:08:55,067 We can resonate, for instance, with Luther's understanding of Abraham's own experience 86 00:08:55,935 --> 00:08:59,605 as influencing his hospitality towards strangers. 87 00:09:00,806 --> 00:09:08,014 Elsewhere I heard Professor Sanchez suggesting that Luther's own background of exile and 88 00:09:08,514 --> 00:09:14,253 hospitality towards travelers might have deepened in sensitivity to this reality. 89 00:09:15,354 --> 00:09:21,360 The question that we may pose is what is our experience in this regard? 90 00:09:22,328 --> 00:09:30,903 How close and fully have we been exposed to the need of hospitality, both individually 91 00:09:31,771 --> 00:09:33,005 and as a church body? 92 00:09:33,005 --> 00:09:41,581 To what extent are we able to empathize with the struggles, vulnerabilities, homesickness, 93 00:09:41,814 --> 00:09:45,384 and fears of being strangers or outsiders? 94 00:09:46,352 --> 00:09:51,190 To what degree have we remained within bubbles and comfort zones? 95 00:09:51,757 --> 00:09:56,095 Is there anything here for us to discuss or to learn? 96 00:09:57,063 --> 00:10:03,869 In the same context, another point to echo is when Professor Sanchez showed how Luther 97 00:10:04,403 --> 00:10:08,240 brings the issue literally to our homes. 98 00:10:10,476 --> 00:10:15,381 We can talk about hospitality we offer in our church buildings and church events and 99 00:10:15,381 --> 00:10:24,056 church ministries all day long, but I find crucial to consider the stewardship of our 100 00:10:24,056 --> 00:10:31,697 own houses and family resources to the service of hospitality, especially in communities 101 00:10:31,697 --> 00:10:37,269 and cultures that might have some resistance to our faith and our institutions. 102 00:10:38,404 --> 00:10:44,443 And the karyokas in Copacabana and the African refugees in San Diego come immediately to 103 00:10:44,443 --> 00:10:45,111 my mind. 104 00:10:47,146 --> 00:10:53,753 Forgive me for trying with this a little bit here, but maybe we should only invite someone 105 00:10:53,753 --> 00:10:59,225 into our churches after we are willing to invite them into our homes first. 106 00:11:02,361 --> 00:11:07,900 The only detail that I was expecting to see in that argument, especially from you, Dr. 107 00:11:08,067 --> 00:11:14,373 Sanchez, an international food lover, was a reference to the table. 108 00:11:16,275 --> 00:11:24,617 We've got to be more Lucan here, not just mi casa estu casa, but mi mesa estu mesa, 109 00:11:24,650 --> 00:11:26,152 mi sarten estu sarten. 110 00:11:28,988 --> 00:11:36,829 Common soul hospitality, food, meals, eye to eye conversations, listening to our guests, 111 00:11:37,463 --> 00:11:41,834 sharing stories, and sharing the gospel in that environment. 112 00:11:41,834 --> 00:11:45,805 It doesn't need to be Marty Stewart elaborated. 113 00:11:46,505 --> 00:11:47,373 It can be simple. 114 00:11:48,974 --> 00:11:54,914 The world is hungry, literally and spiritually, for that kind of experience. 115 00:11:56,649 --> 00:12:02,288 Before leaving the house of Abraham, I affirm Sanchez's recovering of Luther's words, 116 00:12:03,055 --> 00:12:11,464 he who receives a brother who is in exile receives God himself in the person of such 117 00:12:11,464 --> 00:12:11,964 a brother. 118 00:12:12,965 --> 00:12:20,005 I am not sure if Luther had Matthew 25 in his mind, but his invitation to see God himself 119 00:12:20,773 --> 00:12:26,212 in the person who seeks for our nesting deserves our attention. 120 00:12:27,413 --> 00:12:31,050 Let me play with this Christological Catholicity for a minute. 121 00:12:31,984 --> 00:12:40,459 Could it be that for us to have the fullness of Christ, we should seek him to date not 122 00:12:40,459 --> 00:12:48,000 only in the word and in the sacrament, but also intentionally in the neighborhood in 123 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:48,701 need? 124 00:12:50,469 --> 00:12:57,810 Eyes fixed on the cross where Christ is for us, but also searching for His hidden presence 125 00:12:58,344 --> 00:13:04,049 in our brother where He is beside us calling us to join Him in His mission. 126 00:13:05,017 --> 00:13:06,352 Is Luther saying that? 127 00:13:06,352 --> 00:13:09,255 Are you, Dr. Sanchez, saying that? 128 00:13:10,389 --> 00:13:15,528 And if you guys are saying that, is there anything stopping us to take it seriously? 129 00:13:17,096 --> 00:13:26,572 To hold intention, this fullness of Christ, to equilibrate this Christological Catholicity, 130 00:13:26,605 --> 00:13:27,206 if you will. 131 00:13:28,107 --> 00:13:34,713 But let me finish with a more grace-focused observation beyond Facebook love, the love 132 00:13:34,713 --> 00:13:43,856 of the cross, the faith of Abraham, the faith that makes him so eager and ready to be hospitable. 133 00:13:44,657 --> 00:13:48,661 Thank you, Professor, for giving that for us as well today. 134 00:13:49,662 --> 00:13:59,071 Abraham did not just rely on his only personal experience as an exile or on his classes of 135 00:13:59,071 --> 00:14:00,973 Mesopotamian hospitality. 136 00:14:02,508 --> 00:14:12,351 Faith, an encounter with the gospel, a gift from God, is what he ultimately had in his 137 00:14:12,351 --> 00:14:14,687 hand and heart to share. 138 00:14:15,487 --> 00:14:18,023 And that's why he's able to go above and beyond. 139 00:14:19,325 --> 00:14:26,866 That's why he took risks and wasn't so picky about the ritual of screening faith. 140 00:14:27,666 --> 00:14:32,571 Somehow, he knew that no one really passed any screening. 141 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:39,945 If God scanned us inside out, who could be worthy of hospitality? 142 00:14:41,046 --> 00:14:46,685 Abraham knew he and everybody else deserved to have the door shut in their faces. 143 00:14:47,253 --> 00:14:53,993 But he had a promise that someone, someday, would change that. 144 00:14:54,927 --> 00:14:56,829 We have something even better. 145 00:14:57,696 --> 00:14:59,932 We have the fulfillment of that promise. 146 00:15:00,666 --> 00:15:06,906 And that's why, as you said, the church can practice hospitality, not because every stranger 147 00:15:07,473 --> 00:15:12,811 is an angel in disguise, but because that's what the gospel does, that's what the church 148 00:15:12,811 --> 00:15:16,081 does, by faith in the name of Christ. 149 00:15:16,749 --> 00:15:17,683 Thank you, Professor Sanchez.