WEBVTT 1 00:00:23.100 --> 00:00:26.400 Hello, and welcome to Word and Work an Intersection. 2 00:00:26.400 --> 00:00:28.000 I'm Dale Meyer. 3 00:00:28.000 --> 00:00:30.200 This hour will talk with Dr. 4 00:00:30.200 --> 00:00:31.200 Bruce Durazzi. 5 00:00:31.200 --> 00:00:35.500 He is our Special Collections Librarian here at Concordia Seminary 6 00:00:35.500 --> 00:00:39.800 and we want to talk with him about all the resources available at the 7 00:00:39.800 --> 00:00:42.400 Kristine Kay Hasse Memorial Library. 8 00:00:42.400 --> 00:00:44.900 Thanks for joining us and Dr. 9 00:00:44.900 --> 00:00:45.800 Durazzi, Bruce 10 00:00:45.800 --> 00:00:48.100 thank you for being here too. Thank you for the invitation 11 00:00:49.300 --> 00:00:54.600 Do we have to whisper because you're a librarian? Not at all. One of the great things about 12 00:00:54.600 --> 00:01:02.800 the new Kristine Kay Hasse Memorial Library is it's kind of like a Barnes & 13 00:01:02.800 --> 00:01:04.700 Noble bookstore more 14 00:01:04.700 --> 00:01:10.400 so. I mean you don't have to whisper. And it's actually a great place to be. The carpeting 15 00:01:10.400 --> 00:01:12.100 actually helps the voices don't echo as much in the rooms. 16 00:01:12.100 --> 00:01:18.200 If you don't know several years ago, we totally renovated the 17 00:01:18.200 --> 00:01:22.100 library and it's just such a wonderful place very very functional to 18 00:01:22.100 --> 00:01:28.500 be. The place to be. Before we talk about what you do in the library 19 00:01:28.500 --> 00:01:35.400 just introduce yourself to us where you from family..... 20 00:01:35.400 --> 00:01:40.800 Well, I grew up in Pennsylvania and I came to librarianship in kind 21 00:01:40.800 --> 00:01:41.600 of a roundabout way. 22 00:01:41.600 --> 00:01:47.600 I studied music first and got a PhD in music theory at Yale and came to 23 00:01:47.600 --> 00:01:47.800 St. 24 00:01:47.800 --> 00:01:49.200 Louis for a job at 25 00:01:49.300 --> 00:01:51.900 Washington University and found that 26 00:01:51.900 --> 00:01:58.000 I was good at research and not good at writing consistently. The 27 00:01:58.000 --> 00:02:04.200 Faculty roll didn't really quite fit and you know, I stayed in St. 28 00:02:04.200 --> 00:02:07.600 Louis then because by the time I contract was up, I always had met my 29 00:02:07.600 --> 00:02:13.200 wife and had a family. So after a couple of years of working on Library 30 00:02:13.200 --> 00:02:16.100 things, I got my library got a master's degree in library science 31 00:02:16.100 --> 00:02:22.000 focusing on rare books and was looking for a permanent full-time job 32 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:25.000 and buy great fortune 33 00:02:25.000 --> 00:02:30.300 I saw this ad for a job for a rare-book specialist and to study 34 00:02:30.300 --> 00:02:32.700 music I had to learn a lot of European languages. 35 00:02:32.700 --> 00:02:36.400 So when I saw this ad that you had to have these particular skills 36 00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:37.900 and to be able to read Latin and German, 37 00:02:38.600 --> 00:02:41.500 you know, I was able to say okay, and I know I've got French and 38 00:02:41.500 --> 00:02:52.200 Italian too in case you need it. There's not a big Lutheran presence in Italy. 39 00:02:52.200 --> 00:02:53.200 No it's some French 40 00:02:53.200 --> 00:02:54.900 I've seen I think we have 41 00:02:56.600 --> 00:03:06.200 two items in Italian that I can think of. There were attempts at Reformation there were more Evangelical 42 00:03:06.200 --> 00:03:09.100 inclined translations of the Bible that were attempted in. 43 00:03:09.100 --> 00:03:12.100 When did did move here from Pennsylvania? 44 00:03:12.100 --> 00:03:18.200 I moved here after was after graduate school in a couple of 45 00:03:18.200 --> 00:03:18.900 interim jobs. 46 00:03:18.900 --> 00:03:19.400 I moved St. 47 00:03:19.400 --> 00:03:20.800 Louis in 2006. 48 00:03:20.800 --> 00:03:28.700 Actually must immediately from Chicago but and then moved started my library 49 00:03:28.700 --> 00:03:33.800 degree in 2013 and after a couple of temporary situations started 50 00:03:33.800 --> 00:03:35.000 working here in 2018. 51 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:37.700 And you said you're married you have family? 52 00:03:37.700 --> 00:03:38.700 Yes. 53 00:03:38.700 --> 00:03:40.100 We have one son. 54 00:03:40.100 --> 00:03:41.700 And how old is he? 55 00:03:41.700 --> 00:03:45.200 He is 10. He will be 11 in July. 56 00:03:45.200 --> 00:03:49.100 So you're getting all the energy of of adolescence, right? 57 00:03:49.100 --> 00:03:49.600 Yeah. 58 00:03:49.600 --> 00:03:51.900 Just yeah. The gray hairs 59 00:03:51.900 --> 00:03:54.500 look good on you on all of us. Your very kind. 60 00:03:56.900 --> 00:04:02.400 So three years ago you view the saw this advertisement for a position 61 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:05.000 at the Seminary you applied you got it. 62 00:04:06.700 --> 00:04:10.700 What were some of your reactions when you started to settle in here in 63 00:04:10.700 --> 00:04:13.800 the library and in your niche of the archives? 64 00:04:13.800 --> 00:04:16.800 Was there something special that just jumped out at you? 65 00:04:20.200 --> 00:04:23.400 That's a hard question to answer actually because it's almost every 66 00:04:23.400 --> 00:04:26.200 day that I'm working with the collection something special jumped out 67 00:04:26.200 --> 00:04:26.400 of me. 68 00:04:26.400 --> 00:04:28.900 There's incredible depth. 69 00:04:28.900 --> 00:04:32.900 The first thing that I remember discovering was just an odd book. 70 00:04:32.900 --> 00:04:37.900 That wasn't it's not even it's not an antique book. 71 00:04:37.900 --> 00:04:39.600 It was not a very old book, 72 00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:40.200 anyway. It was 73 00:04:41.900 --> 00:04:45.700 the British library for the British museum at the time republication 74 00:04:45.700 --> 00:04:48.300 of the Queen Mary Psalter. 75 00:04:48.300 --> 00:04:49.700 So it's an illustrated 76 00:04:50.600 --> 00:04:55.100 songbook from the 14th century and there's an images of it in this was 77 00:04:55.100 --> 00:05:00.400 published a little over a century ago and 1912. And thought okay 78 00:05:00.400 --> 00:05:03.300 we've got a copy of this book that would be interesting to some people 79 00:05:03.300 --> 00:05:06.500 doing research and I opened it up and on on the flyleaf it says 80 00:05:09.400 --> 00:05:10.000 to 81 00:05:11.900 --> 00:05:17.100 W. W. Greg from A. W. Pollard best wishes June 1913. 82 00:05:17.100 --> 00:05:25.000 These are two, not everyone would know these names, of the most important bibliographical scholars. 83 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:29.400 They work mostly on Shakespeare and Elizabethan drama, but the field 84 00:05:29.400 --> 00:05:32.600 of modern bibliography the text that we all studied as as rare book 85 00:05:32.600 --> 00:05:38.000 specialist were written by these two guys. No kidding. Go ahead. And and he know that 86 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:40.300 that this particular book came to this Library 87 00:05:40.300 --> 00:05:44.300 you know, having once been a gift from one of these to the other was 88 00:05:44.300 --> 00:05:45.400 just gob smacking. 89 00:05:45.400 --> 00:05:51.200 Well let's have a reality check. I don't know about you but a reality check would help me here. 90 00:05:51.200 --> 00:05:55.400 So Concordia Seminary prepares pastors and deaconess for work in the 91 00:05:55.400 --> 00:05:55.700 church. 92 00:05:55.700 --> 00:06:00.400 Okay, and you would expect in our our library and I'd like to hear 93 00:06:00.400 --> 00:06:03.800 about the whole library in due time, but you would expect in our 94 00:06:03.800 --> 00:06:04.200 library. 95 00:06:04.200 --> 00:06:08.700 The kind of books of pastors and deaconesses are going to use. Now 96 00:06:08.700 --> 00:06:11.000 what you just described the Queen Mary Psalter in 97 00:06:11.700 --> 00:06:15.900 no way that we're going to use that. 98 00:06:15.900 --> 00:06:23.100 Okay, and is it true then that you got a lot of books like that that 99 00:06:23.100 --> 00:06:28.800 have special interest but not just for pastors and deaconesses. 100 00:06:30.100 --> 00:06:35.500 That's a scholarly corner in the library where you work. Yeah. 101 00:06:35.500 --> 00:06:39.300 Tell us about the the Special Collections the Rare Book Collection? 102 00:06:39.300 --> 00:06:45.300 Right course, of course, you know, but maybe some of your viewers 103 00:06:45.300 --> 00:06:45.500 aren't aware 104 00:06:45.500 --> 00:06:47.800 they're also PhDs in Theology. 105 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:55.900 And so we we support historical and and critical research as well. 106 00:06:55.900 --> 00:06:57.400 So we have 107 00:06:59.100 --> 00:07:03.000 a lot of a lot of books going back to the time of Luther and before 108 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:03.500 really but 109 00:07:06.600 --> 00:07:07.400 including 110 00:07:08.400 --> 00:07:14.600 publications of Luther's text published during his lifetime. And those 111 00:07:14.600 --> 00:07:19.300 of his immediate colleagues and pupils. And all of the key 112 00:07:19.300 --> 00:07:26.500 text and almost all of the key text in the history of the Lutheran 113 00:07:26.500 --> 00:07:31.100 Church in early editions have made it to the institution at some 114 00:07:31.100 --> 00:07:31.500 point. 115 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:39.900 The first couple of generations of Faculty members who came from came 116 00:07:39.900 --> 00:07:41.600 from Germany to to teach here. 117 00:07:43.800 --> 00:07:47.100 Brought a lot of their books with them and many 118 00:07:47.100 --> 00:07:51.700 of them are written in the in the pages so we know who they were. And I 119 00:07:51.700 --> 00:07:56.200 can only imagine that they emigrated without a lot of stuff and they 120 00:07:56.200 --> 00:07:59.300 were more books in their trunks and clothes because there are a lot of 121 00:07:59.300 --> 00:08:02.300 important books that at the time only existed in their first 122 00:08:02.300 --> 00:08:07.400 editions 16th and 17th century books that were given to the 123 00:08:07.400 --> 00:08:14.200 institution by faculty members in the 1850s. And that's how we that's 124 00:08:14.200 --> 00:08:17.800 the core of the library's is, you know begins with CFW Walther 125 00:08:17.800 --> 00:08:18.400 himself. 126 00:08:18.400 --> 00:08:26.200 So we have many resources for the study of Lutheran history, 127 00:08:26.200 --> 00:08:29.300 especially from the period 128 00:08:29.300 --> 00:08:32.790 of Luther's life through the 17th century and the period 129 00:08:32.790 --> 00:08:33.500 of Orthodoxy. 130 00:08:33.500 --> 00:08:40.600 So that means at the Seminary is not just a factory for pastors. 131 00:08:42.600 --> 00:08:45.600 But it's really a place of scholarship. 132 00:08:45.600 --> 00:08:50.300 I mean your average pastor your average Dale is not going to go in and 133 00:08:50.300 --> 00:08:55.400 rummage through those book but Scholars do correct? Scholars do. 134 00:08:55.400 --> 00:08:57.200 Including our faculty. 135 00:08:57.200 --> 00:09:01.300 And I know I'm working on 1st Peter and one of these days I 136 00:09:01.300 --> 00:09:04.400 want to get in and see what you got in the rare book room on 1st Peter 137 00:09:04.400 --> 00:09:05.100 old editions. 138 00:09:05.100 --> 00:09:10.500 How many books do you have in there Bruce? We have about eight thousand 139 00:09:10.500 --> 00:09:13.200 items in rare books. In rare books. In rare books. 140 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:18.600 Do you know the the entire count for the whole Library? Oh the entire a 141 00:09:18.600 --> 00:09:25.800 whole library is 500.000 or so. And in addition to that 142 00:09:25.800 --> 00:09:29.800 we have a couple of thousand items in the library archive which 143 00:09:29.800 --> 00:09:36.100 documents published work of the institution and this faculty mainly. So 144 00:09:36.100 --> 00:09:39.500 some of some of those are very many of them are not rare, but we try 145 00:09:39.500 --> 00:09:42.500 to keep copies of everything that comes out of Concordia itself. 146 00:09:43.100 --> 00:09:44.700 So 147 00:09:47.300 --> 00:09:50.100 they're great many resources for studying it and 148 00:09:50.100 --> 00:09:52.000 we get not only 149 00:09:53.400 --> 00:09:57.200 PhD students from the institution, but we get Scholars visiting from 150 00:09:57.200 --> 00:10:00.000 time to time who want to see particular things that we have. 151 00:10:02.000 --> 00:10:06.000 Among the rarest resources 152 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:08.500 of course, we haven't famously we have Johann Sebastian Bach's 153 00:10:08.500 --> 00:10:09.400 personal Bible. 154 00:10:09.400 --> 00:10:18.200 Okay, I know about this but maybe our audience doesn't. He just said we 155 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:25.800 have Johann Sebastian Bach's personal Bible here at Concordia Seminary St. 156 00:10:25.800 --> 00:10:30.200 Louis. So tell us about that because one of the questions I wanted to ask 157 00:10:30.200 --> 00:10:35.000 you is are some of the highlights and then I guess I'm easy to read 158 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:37.700 because you wouldn't right there to tell us about the Bach Bible. 159 00:10:37.700 --> 00:10:44.600 The Bach Bible is actually it's the the Calov edition of the Bible which 160 00:10:44.600 --> 00:10:46.900 was a heavily glossed Bible. 161 00:10:46.900 --> 00:10:51.900 So it's all the. Heavily glossed means? There are a lot of interpretation of the text is 162 00:10:51.900 --> 00:11:01.500 added along side. Annotated this kind of like a study Bible. Yes. And it was attempting to be comprehensive 163 00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:04.700 everything that would be relevant to an evangelical scholar of the Bible at the time is referenced. 164 00:11:04.700 --> 00:11:08.200 So it's a game 165 00:11:08.200 --> 00:11:11.500 I play sometimes just to show people the beginning of Genesis and you 166 00:11:11.500 --> 00:11:13.300 know you reading in German, so it's got the text, 167 00:11:14.300 --> 00:11:19.600 large text with the Bible tax in in smaller text for the for the 168 00:11:19.600 --> 00:11:20.200 commentary. 169 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:23.000 So it says in the beginning 170 00:11:27.800 --> 00:11:28.400 God 171 00:11:30.800 --> 00:11:31.500 created 172 00:11:34.300 --> 00:11:35.400 the heavens and the Earth. 173 00:11:35.400 --> 00:11:38.000 So the first sentence except for pages. 174 00:11:38.000 --> 00:11:42.400 So you have a Biblical text and then all the commentary. All the commentary yeah. And 175 00:11:42.400 --> 00:11:48.800 he's glossing it word by word so it ends up being three enormous volumes. If you stack them 176 00:11:48.800 --> 00:11:48.800 up. 177 00:11:48.800 --> 00:11:50.700 It's about that much paper. 178 00:11:50.700 --> 00:11:56.100 Did Bach actually use this Bible? 179 00:11:56.100 --> 00:11:58.300 Do we have indication that he used it? 180 00:11:58.300 --> 00:11:59.000 Yes there 181 00:11:59.000 --> 00:12:00.500 he he made notes in it. 182 00:12:00.500 --> 00:12:04.700 He he underlined or scored in the margins for the things that he 183 00:12:04.700 --> 00:12:09.700 thought were interesting or return to. He made corrections in the text 184 00:12:09.700 --> 00:12:14.600 where there were superficial typos in a lot of places and and he corrected 185 00:12:14.600 --> 00:12:17.200 them. And a really interesting detail 186 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:20.900 is that there a couple of places where he makes corrections to the 187 00:12:20.900 --> 00:12:26.300 text, but he misspelled the word spells it as a as a as a homophone. 188 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:31.900 So it suggests that he's not comparing two texts, but is reading aloud 189 00:12:31.900 --> 00:12:36.000 with someone and someone else tells him what the text is supposed to 190 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:38.500 be and he fixes it by ear and misspells it as a result. 191 00:12:38.500 --> 00:12:43.400 So, you know, we get this image then of the Bach family members of the 192 00:12:43.400 --> 00:12:45.900 Bach family sitting around together everything from their Bibles out 193 00:12:45.900 --> 00:12:49.500 loud. Well you know about music more than I do but I do understand that 194 00:12:49.500 --> 00:12:54.600 there have been critics who said, you know Bach used Theology and 195 00:12:54.600 --> 00:12:58.000 biblical stories for his music, but he really wasn't into it. 196 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:03.100 And and what you're telling us what Concordia Seminary can prove is 197 00:13:03.100 --> 00:13:06.800 that he really was into the scriptures and he's called fifth evangelist 198 00:13:06.800 --> 00:13:09.800 for a reason. Well 199 00:13:09.800 --> 00:13:10.500 I've always thought 200 00:13:11.800 --> 00:13:15.400 personally, I've always thought that if you listen to the music, why 201 00:13:15.400 --> 00:13:17.800 would you why would you think it's not sincere 202 00:13:17.800 --> 00:13:24.600 It sounds real to me. And but yes, this is this is this evidence in the 203 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:27.300 book that he's reading it for his own interests and and 204 00:13:27.300 --> 00:13:31.200 edification and not as a 205 00:13:32.300 --> 00:13:37.300 I don't know what to call it it some sort of cynical. You told us when you arrived you 206 00:13:37.300 --> 00:13:44.200 happen upon the the Queen Mary Psalter and and how that came to us. 207 00:13:44.200 --> 00:13:47.500 How did we get the Bach Bible of all places? 208 00:13:47.500 --> 00:13:50.600 How did an institution in St. 209 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:53.500 Louis get the personal Bible of JS Bach? 210 00:13:53.500 --> 00:13:59.400 Well, we know we have a list of the inventory from Bach estate. 211 00:13:59.400 --> 00:14:03.400 So we have a pretty good description of his library at the time of his 212 00:14:03.400 --> 00:14:08.300 death. And we don't know what became of any of the other books the 213 00:14:08.300 --> 00:14:12.800 actual copies that he had are scattered and with this particular 214 00:14:12.800 --> 00:14:16.000 one, which is the only one that has been authenticated as having 215 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:19.500 belonged to Bach personally. It 216 00:14:20.400 --> 00:14:24.800 we don't know how I came to the US so story picks up near the end of 217 00:14:24.800 --> 00:14:30.700 the 19th century where a German family who came to the US wanted a 218 00:14:30.700 --> 00:14:35.900 Bible and bought it in a used book store in Philadelphia and the 219 00:14:35.900 --> 00:14:40.400 Reichel family ended up settling in Michigan and 220 00:14:42.600 --> 00:14:45.800 just having this Bible in the family and it got passed down a generation or two 221 00:14:45.800 --> 00:14:52.800 and no one was aware of its history. And they it was during a church 222 00:14:52.800 --> 00:14:54.000 convention 223 00:14:55.400 --> 00:14:57.600 and there was a visiting Pastor 224 00:14:57.600 --> 00:14:59.000 I can look at the details mixed up. 225 00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:01.700 Mr. 226 00:15:01.700 --> 00:15:05.800 Reichel showed it to the visiting pastor and said is our family bible 227 00:15:05.800 --> 00:15:06.200 isn't it 228 00:15:06.200 --> 00:15:11.200 cool? And they only had one volume and end up having to scramble in 229 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:16.800 the attic to find the other two. And it was the visiting Minister 230 00:15:16.800 --> 00:15:21.700 looked at the title page where it said JS Bach 1733 and he said this 231 00:15:21.700 --> 00:15:26.700 might be important so they did some work on it in and checked it out. 232 00:15:26.700 --> 00:15:30.800 And and if they believed it was authentic at the time and this was in 233 00:15:30.800 --> 00:15:39.500 1939 and the Bach people in in Leipzig really wanted it. 234 00:15:40.200 --> 00:15:43.000 And Mr. 235 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:46.400 Reichel to said no, I don't want to send it to Germany right now that 236 00:15:46.400 --> 00:15:47.600 the situation doesn't look good. 237 00:15:47.600 --> 00:15:51.900 I'll just give it to my church and then the LCMS give it to you 238 00:15:51.900 --> 00:15:54.500 straight to Concordia for safe keeping. 239 00:15:54.500 --> 00:16:00.100 Wow, that's amazing it and it demonstrates another point about 240 00:16:00.100 --> 00:16:07.000 Concordia Seminary one of our mantras on the faculty is the vigorous 241 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:09.200 life of the mind in the service of the Gospel. 242 00:16:10.800 --> 00:16:13.900 So it's not just scholars who go into the rare book room and go 243 00:16:13.900 --> 00:16:16.700 through all these books which were going to be looking at shortly. 244 00:16:16.700 --> 00:16:22.000 But our pastors have to have some intuition about scholarship and that 245 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:24.800 Pastor had the intuition to look at 246 00:16:24.800 --> 00:16:25.700 this is and say wait 247 00:16:25.700 --> 00:16:27.700 you got something here. 248 00:16:27.700 --> 00:16:32.700 So this is this is fascinating not to mention that we don't have to 249 00:16:32.700 --> 00:16:35.900 whisper we can act like normal human beings. 250 00:16:35.900 --> 00:16:40.700 I've got questions about all these books that Dr. Durazzi has 251 00:16:40.700 --> 00:16:44.700 brought. We're going to take a short break, but when we come back, we'll talk 252 00:16:44.700 --> 00:16:48.700 about some of the resources in the Kristine Kay Hasse Memorial Library. 253 00:16:48.700 --> 00:16:50.000 Stay with us. 254 00:16:50.200 --> 00:16:51.700 Concordia Seminary St. 255 00:16:51.700 --> 00:16:56.500 Louis provides continuing education resources for pastors and lay 256 00:16:56.500 --> 00:17:01.600 people to discover all the Concordia Seminary has for you visit us on 257 00:17:01.600 --> 00:17:04.200 the web at CSL. 258 00:17:04.200 --> 00:17:04.900 EDU. 259 00:17:06.400 --> 00:17:09.400 Welcome back to Word and Work an Intersection. 260 00:17:09.400 --> 00:17:12.600 I'm your host Dale Meyer. Today our guest 261 00:17:12.600 --> 00:17:13.000 Dr. 262 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:13.900 Bruce Durazzi. 263 00:17:13.900 --> 00:17:18.600 He is our Special Collections Librarian at the Kristine Kay Hasse 264 00:17:18.600 --> 00:17:22.100 Memorial Library on the campus of Concordia Seminary. 265 00:17:23.800 --> 00:17:25.200 You brought books 266 00:17:25.200 --> 00:17:31.700 okay. And this is fascinating and in part of me is a nerd, 267 00:17:31.700 --> 00:17:32.200 okay. 268 00:17:32.200 --> 00:17:37.400 Now that I don't have to deal with administrative stuff getting back 269 00:17:37.400 --> 00:17:40.300 into scholarship is is is something that I'm enjoying. 270 00:17:40.300 --> 00:17:44.200 I got to say that I'm rusty. So tell us about some of these books that 271 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:45.400 you that you brought with us. 272 00:17:45.400 --> 00:17:49.900 Your invitation was actually it's a little bit difficult because 273 00:17:49.900 --> 00:17:55.400 almost every book tells some interesting story and I had some trouble 274 00:17:55.400 --> 00:17:56.300 picking things out. 275 00:17:56.300 --> 00:18:04.300 So this is pretty. So your suggesting this is the first season of ongoing shows, you know, 276 00:18:04.300 --> 00:18:07.200 like maybe 10 years from now, we'll finally get through all the books. 277 00:18:08.200 --> 00:18:17.500 Oh we would never get through all the books. They come in faster then I can talk about them. So this is 278 00:18:19.100 --> 00:18:27.600 a volume of the parable of the sermon on the 279 00:18:27.600 --> 00:18:33.700 parable of the lost sheep. And it's kind of a straightforward typical 280 00:18:33.700 --> 00:18:36.900 pamphlet from the 1533. 281 00:18:36.900 --> 00:18:41.200 This is Luther's sermon on the parable of the lost sheep. And 282 00:18:43.100 --> 00:18:47.300 when you if you just look at the text, you can get the text in a good 283 00:18:47.300 --> 00:18:50.500 English translation and you can get it in good German editions and 284 00:18:50.500 --> 00:18:55.800 and it would probably include this detail that it was preached in 285 00:18:55.800 --> 00:19:06.400 Wittenberg to the the Elector John Frederick 1533. And gives the exact date in there and 286 00:19:06.400 --> 00:19:07.600 says it was printed in Wittenberg. 287 00:19:07.600 --> 00:19:13.400 So this is Lucas publication and it's got this nice wood cut of of 288 00:19:13.400 --> 00:19:17.300 Jesus with the lamb over his shoulders the kind of image you often see. 289 00:19:17.300 --> 00:19:19.200 And 290 00:19:21.500 --> 00:19:25.100 what you learned from looking at this original edition, so this was 291 00:19:25.100 --> 00:19:26.100 published in Wittenberg. 292 00:19:26.100 --> 00:19:30.800 We know that Luther cared very much about how his publications looked 293 00:19:30.800 --> 00:19:35.200 and he would go to the press and say and read the proof as they 294 00:19:35.200 --> 00:19:40.400 as they set them. So he was very conscious of his 295 00:19:40.400 --> 00:19:42.400 publications. 296 00:19:42.400 --> 00:19:44.500 He's very conscious of and of the public image 297 00:19:44.500 --> 00:19:48.100 that it fostered. Whoa, that's significant. 298 00:19:48.100 --> 00:19:49.400 Yes it is. 299 00:19:49.400 --> 00:19:52.900 So that's why I'm protect I pay particular attention to the ones 300 00:19:52.900 --> 00:19:55.800 published in Wittenberg because Luther 301 00:19:56.700 --> 00:19:59.700 was involved in those and maybe even actually supervised them. 302 00:19:59.700 --> 00:20:04.800 And this looks as if the woodcut was it we don't know the artist but 303 00:20:04.800 --> 00:20:08.100 we threw it it looks as if it was cut for the purpose and then there 304 00:20:08.100 --> 00:20:12.400 are these these crafts all the way around it and it took me a little 305 00:20:12.400 --> 00:20:15.200 bit of research to figure out what it would have meant. But it was 306 00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:20.000 Martin Luther's Crest is easily recognizable with the with the heart 307 00:20:20.000 --> 00:20:25.100 and the cross and the the of the flower but this is Philip Melanchthon 308 00:20:25.100 --> 00:20:31.300 you teste onus, Johannes Bugenhagen and Conrad Kreutziger 309 00:20:31.300 --> 00:20:32.600 all have their crests there too. 310 00:20:32.600 --> 00:20:37.200 So this represents the entire theological faculty of of the University 311 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:37.700 at the time. 312 00:20:38.400 --> 00:20:43.400 So this was what he preaches in 1533 published shortly thereafter. 313 00:20:43.400 --> 00:20:45.400 Yes, it might have been the previous year 314 00:20:45.400 --> 00:20:55.000 when he preached it. Okay. Published very soon there after. So let me ask you this question. Today you can go to Concordia Publishing house or a Christian 315 00:20:55.000 --> 00:20:59.500 bookstore and and get sermons, buy sermons. 316 00:21:00.800 --> 00:21:02.300 Did they do that back then 317 00:21:03.500 --> 00:21:07.800 or was it because this was Luther and he was such a famous personality? 318 00:21:07.800 --> 00:21:08.800 There, 319 00:21:08.800 --> 00:21:11.900 there was a tradition of publishing 320 00:21:13.100 --> 00:21:17.100 or reproducing sermons going back prior to the Advent of print. 321 00:21:17.100 --> 00:21:19.600 So there are plenty of medieval manuscript that are collections of 322 00:21:19.600 --> 00:21:23.900 sermons of someone important who sermons you would want to read or 323 00:21:23.900 --> 00:21:24.000 study. 324 00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:33.900 In fact, the oldest volume we have is a 12th century manuscript from 325 00:21:33.900 --> 00:21:36.900 the Smithy collection. Which is 326 00:21:39.100 --> 00:21:45.200 Gregory the Great's sermons, so it was both for Bible study and for 327 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:51.600 aspiring preachers the sermons circulated a lot. The publishing them 328 00:21:51.600 --> 00:21:53.500 individually and printing them in little pamphlets 329 00:21:53.500 --> 00:21:55.800 like this was pretty much Luther's innovation. 330 00:21:55.800 --> 00:22:03.600 He was savvy when it came to communications. That's one of the reasons that the Reformation took off with the grace 331 00:22:03.600 --> 00:22:03.800 of God. 332 00:22:03.800 --> 00:22:06.300 Yes. 333 00:22:06.300 --> 00:22:07.000 Yeah. 334 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:12.500 His ability to get things like this in to print 335 00:22:14.500 --> 00:22:18.400 is is a significant part of why he remained alive long enough to do 336 00:22:18.400 --> 00:22:23.800 the work that you did and or not in prison. But the 337 00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:28.900 so this was a relatively new thing to 338 00:22:28.900 --> 00:22:33.000 publications in a format like this. Would this have gone to pastors or to lay people 339 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:37.800 who would have had access to bought received a book likes this? 340 00:22:37.800 --> 00:22:47.700 We don't know a lot about how they circulated. If it was intended only 341 00:22:47.700 --> 00:22:49.700 for pastors and student of theology 342 00:22:49.700 --> 00:22:51.200 then it would have been in Latin. 343 00:22:51.200 --> 00:22:55.100 So the publication in German in the first place is already a sign of 344 00:22:55.100 --> 00:22:59.400 Luther's wanting his word to get out to to a wider audience. 345 00:22:59.400 --> 00:23:07.200 This would have sold in in an ordinary print shop would be unbound. 346 00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:11.100 You can just buy the sheaf of papers and then you can read it and do 347 00:23:11.100 --> 00:23:16.300 whatever you want with it or bind it to keep it if you wanted. And the 348 00:23:16.300 --> 00:23:19.400 cost of a pamphlet like this at the time was 349 00:23:20.200 --> 00:23:23.400 I think I think I read it and it was about the cost of the chicken. 350 00:23:24.700 --> 00:23:32.800 So that you would need for a family meal or the main course of a family meal might cost something similar to. Bread of 351 00:23:32.800 --> 00:23:40.800 life. But it was in the reach of a family with modest means. They wanted to have a copy 352 00:23:40.800 --> 00:23:44.500 of this. Which is significant, but 353 00:23:45.400 --> 00:23:49.100 the other thing that you miss by getting a modern edition of this is 354 00:23:49.100 --> 00:23:53.100 that if you check out the date when the sermon was preached shortly 355 00:23:53.100 --> 00:23:54.400 before the publication of this. 356 00:23:55.600 --> 00:24:00.500 Johan Frederick, this was preached in the first week that Johan 357 00:24:00.500 --> 00:24:03.000 Frederick was the Elector it was right after the death of his father 358 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:06.700 and just after his coronation. 359 00:24:06.700 --> 00:24:13.600 So this woodcut commissioned for this publication with the crests of 360 00:24:13.600 --> 00:24:18.400 all that Wittenberg faculty members together makes a huge statement about 361 00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:23.600 the status of the theologians in Wittenberg and how they stand 362 00:24:23.600 --> 00:24:26.900 together to tell their story about about interpreting the gospel. 363 00:24:26.900 --> 00:24:31.500 And so this is an important part of the presentation of how they want 364 00:24:31.500 --> 00:24:34.500 to interact with the new elector now that he's taking his office. Wow. 365 00:24:34.500 --> 00:24:38.000 Who would have ever known that and this is right here Concordia 366 00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:45.100 Seminary. Take us through another book this is fascinating. I guess I will go chronologically. So 367 00:24:46.000 --> 00:24:48.700 this is a book somewhat later and this is 368 00:24:49.800 --> 00:24:53.700 where we have so many of the important Lutheran books that we 369 00:24:53.700 --> 00:24:58.000 we've been getting more of the the counter-reformation counterparts of 370 00:24:58.000 --> 00:25:04.200 them to fill out the history because. By Counter-Reformation you mean? I mean in 371 00:25:04.200 --> 00:25:07.500 particular the Roman Catholic institutional responses to the 372 00:25:07.500 --> 00:25:13.100 Reformation it attempts to either in some cases to to smash it down and in some cases 373 00:25:13.100 --> 00:25:16.300 try to make modest reforms that would look good that would satisfy. 374 00:25:16.300 --> 00:25:20.500 It wasn't in a vacuum. Yeah. This didn't happen in a 375 00:25:20.500 --> 00:25:21.700 vacuum. So great. 376 00:25:21.700 --> 00:25:34.700 So this is from 1630 and this is Louis Maimbourg who was a Lutheran not Lutheran a Jesuit 377 00:25:34.700 --> 00:25:42.600 in Paris and he's writing his history of Lutheranism and it looks 378 00:25:42.600 --> 00:25:46.600 it looks in many respects like a respectable scholarly history with 379 00:25:46.600 --> 00:25:49.100 citations and dates and a lot of specifics. 380 00:25:49.900 --> 00:25:50.700 It's really 381 00:25:53.600 --> 00:25:56.400 and I'm not biased when I say this is really an unkind book. 382 00:25:56.400 --> 00:26:00.700 It's not it's not a very accurate history its meant to debunk Lutheranism and you can 383 00:26:00.700 --> 00:26:02.400 see from the from the engraved frontispiece. 384 00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:07.800 You've got presumably the true church here menacing the fallen Luther 385 00:26:07.800 --> 00:26:12.100 with with his cross and you know, the shield says the history of 386 00:26:12.100 --> 00:26:16.000 Lutheranism and then there's the motto from the psalm that says the 387 00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:21.100 truth shall encircle me as a shield. In the Vulgate translation, of 388 00:26:21.100 --> 00:26:25.100 course because. Vulgate was Latin translation the official Latin 389 00:26:25.100 --> 00:26:29.500 translation. And now Luther of course is gone against the church's 390 00:26:29.500 --> 00:26:35.700 attitude by translating into German. And in some cases the 391 00:26:35.700 --> 00:26:39.000 following the trend of the time translating a little more carefully in some places. 392 00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:46.400 So this is like partisan politics today with a vengeance. Yes. Steroids. 393 00:26:46.400 --> 00:26:56.700 Yeah, this is. This was not a Sunday School disagreement. No, framing the story in a way 394 00:26:56.700 --> 00:27:01.600 that that that makes him already right before he even makes his case 395 00:27:01.600 --> 00:27:06.300 right by any kind of images. Do you have, do we have many of these 396 00:27:06.300 --> 00:27:08.400 counter-reformation volumes. 397 00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:12.700 You said what you said it's being that that part of the collection is 398 00:27:12.700 --> 00:27:16.600 being added to and filled. We don't have them more 399 00:27:16.600 --> 00:27:21.000 I mean, we traditionally been more interested in in Orthodox Lutheran 400 00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:25.500 text. But where the relevant history and when we have the chance to get 401 00:27:25.500 --> 00:27:30.000 them we get some so I would say dozens not hundreds. And I think I 402 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:34.600 think what you're just saying suggest to me that we're not just 403 00:27:34.600 --> 00:27:35.000 talking about 404 00:27:35.900 --> 00:27:39.400 Lutheran Scholars, who would be interested in our rare book 405 00:27:39.400 --> 00:27:39.800 collection. 406 00:27:39.800 --> 00:27:43.300 There are others of from from other denominations 407 00:27:43.300 --> 00:27:46.800 I don't know if looks like that have been checked out checked out. 408 00:27:46.800 --> 00:27:47.800 You don't check these books out. 409 00:27:47.800 --> 00:27:54.900 But but but this is here's the way I like to think of the Seminary 410 00:27:54.900 --> 00:27:58.600 Bruce and you certainly can correct or straighten this out. 411 00:27:58.600 --> 00:28:02.100 Yeah, we provide pastors and deaconess in the church. 412 00:28:02.100 --> 00:28:07.900 We provide a lot of resources through programs like Word and Work and the 413 00:28:07.900 --> 00:28:14.200 Scholars, CSL Scholar and Theology Today, Concordia theology, but 414 00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:19.500 we're also Lutheran leven because this kind of scholarship and these 415 00:28:19.500 --> 00:28:23.200 resources get out into the broader Christian Community. 416 00:28:24.700 --> 00:28:28.500 On behalf of the Gospel and the vigorous life of the mind. 417 00:28:28.500 --> 00:28:32.300 Is that fair about what are Library does? 418 00:28:32.300 --> 00:28:38.600 Yes, I think it's fair and it's a very nice way of capturing it and 419 00:28:38.600 --> 00:28:41.300 from my point of view. 420 00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:46.400 We try to treat the collection 421 00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:51.000 as any Library would treat a really specialized collection of 422 00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:54.100 resources putting the vigorous life of the mind first. 423 00:28:54.100 --> 00:28:57.100 So I've spoken with people from St. 424 00:28:57.100 --> 00:29:02.400 Louis University, which is a Jesuit institution that you know, and and 425 00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:04.900 they'll say oh it's amazing I go over there once in awhile just 426 00:29:04.900 --> 00:29:09.700 because you have the only copies of there's a certain things that we 427 00:29:09.700 --> 00:29:10.200 have. Thers's 428 00:29:13.500 --> 00:29:20.300 Vatican A very important very important early Greek manuscript of the 429 00:29:20.300 --> 00:29:24.400 complete Bible probably from the 4th Century probably commissioned by 430 00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:29.500 the newly-established Roman See when when Rome converted to 431 00:29:29.500 --> 00:29:31.700 Christianity. And 432 00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:36.800 there's what they think is a copy from the first authorized 433 00:29:36.800 --> 00:29:42.300 transmission of it on a large scale of of the biblical texts. And they 434 00:29:42.300 --> 00:29:44.400 did a lavish in 1999 435 00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:49.200 they published this lavish very detailed replica of it. 436 00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:52.000 And I'm sure it was terribly expensive 437 00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:57.600 I don't know how much but but even so you had to apply to get a copy 438 00:29:57.600 --> 00:30:01.700 and they wanted to send them to places where they would be used and 439 00:30:01.700 --> 00:30:05.900 the level of scholarship going on at at Concordia qualified our library 440 00:30:05.900 --> 00:30:08.200 for a copy. And St. Louis University straight down the street didn't get one. 441 00:30:10.600 --> 00:30:13.600 You're Whispering like a librarian. 442 00:30:13.600 --> 00:30:15.500 I don't want them to hear me. 443 00:30:15.500 --> 00:30:26.700 But anyways, that's the level of research that goes on is recognized by the wider. you know the change and Dale don't 444 00:30:26.700 --> 00:30:30.200 spend much time on this but I was president when we renovated the 445 00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:34.600 library. And one of the big issues was heaven forbid the fire 446 00:30:34.600 --> 00:30:40.400 suppression system, and I remember all that our people went through to 447 00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:46.000 the come up with a we the architects and and the fire 448 00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:52.100 engineers to come up with a way that if God forbid a fire would break 449 00:30:52.100 --> 00:30:57.100 out that this collection is going to be protected their monitors all 450 00:30:57.100 --> 00:31:00.800 over the place. So as you are describing these 451 00:31:00.800 --> 00:31:01.400 treasures 452 00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:03.800 I'm thinking the practical thing that we had to go 453 00:31:03.800 --> 00:31:04.500 through some years ago. 454 00:31:04.500 --> 00:31:07.000 We're running down on time. Tell us what one of these do? I love this one. 455 00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:14.000 This is Seckendorf wrote a history of Lutheranism as a response to 456 00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:14.400 Maimbourg. Seckendorf. Ludwig Seckendorf. 457 00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:22.700 This is and again, I am trying not to 458 00:31:22.700 --> 00:31:25.600 be biased when I say two things but this really is a scholarly history 459 00:31:25.600 --> 00:31:27.700 of Lutheranism. Where he 460 00:31:27.700 --> 00:31:31.200 had access to the texts and the resources and wrote it well, 461 00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:34.600 and it's it's much longer and it also has a lot of detailed 462 00:31:34.600 --> 00:31:36.500 annotations and explains things very well. 463 00:31:37.600 --> 00:31:43.200 The copy that we have it says here in the front that it belonged to the 464 00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:49.000 cannot read the name now, but it belongs to the superintendent in this in the city 465 00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:54.200 near where he lived, Seckendorf the author himself. And he 466 00:31:55.600 --> 00:32:01.100 corresponded with the superintendent who saved his letters and kept 467 00:32:01.100 --> 00:32:02.900 them with the book when it was bound. 468 00:32:02.900 --> 00:32:08.700 So these are letters from Ludwig Seckendorf this early historian of 469 00:32:08.700 --> 00:32:15.400 Lutheranism to the local church superintendent and they're in Latin 470 00:32:15.400 --> 00:32:16.200 and he had messy handwriting. 471 00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:19.000 So I don't know that they've actually been fully translated. 472 00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:22.400 I'm not sure if the contexts but this is this is one of the many 473 00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:25.500 examples of this where, what looks like already an 474 00:32:25.500 --> 00:32:31.300 important book has this important history attached to it. Now a librarian told me 475 00:32:31.300 --> 00:32:34.000 that you would think that we would have all kinds of gloves and 476 00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:34.500 everything. 477 00:32:34.500 --> 00:32:38.300 But but that that actually is not necessary when we deal with these 478 00:32:38.300 --> 00:32:41.000 books as long as our hands are clean. 479 00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:41.300 Yes. It turns out 480 00:32:41.300 --> 00:32:45.900 I mean, there's some difference of opinion about this but it turns out 481 00:32:45.900 --> 00:32:49.200 that having having cotton gloves on your fingers and you lose some of 482 00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:50.100 the fine sensation. 483 00:32:50.100 --> 00:32:53.700 So it's actually easier to tear the pages and gloves and you could do 484 00:32:53.700 --> 00:32:55.600 more damage with gloves then you probably will do if 485 00:32:55.500 --> 00:33:20.500 your careful with your bare hands. Okay. We have one more book. Yes, this is from the Archives not from the Rare Books. Although it is in itself kind of rare. This is a copy of Walther's Epistle sermons on the Epistles. And this is 486 00:33:20.500 --> 00:33:21.300 published here in St. 487 00:33:21.300 --> 00:33:31.000 Louis in 1882 and edited by the Otto Hauser who was at the time the 488 00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:40.500 the pastor of Trinity. Hauser is a Missouri Synod name. And someone has tipped in their their 489 00:33:40.500 --> 00:33:45.600 own indexes typed and added separately. Is a book like that of value? 490 00:33:46.600 --> 00:33:53.500 I mean it's not comfortable to these I assume. But probably you can 491 00:33:53.500 --> 00:33:55.400 find them if you look for them and 492 00:33:55.400 --> 00:33:58.300 I think that I mean that in the sense of someone would spend a lot of 493 00:33:58.300 --> 00:33:58.900 money for it. 494 00:33:58.900 --> 00:34:00.300 I don't think a great deal. 495 00:34:00.300 --> 00:34:08.500 I have to tell you that I've got some of those his greedy little 496 00:34:08.500 --> 00:34:12.800 smile is coming out and then I've got one book that goes back to the 497 00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:17.690 1600's. Really? And if you're nice to me, I might be nice to you. 498 00:34:18.700 --> 00:34:22.300 But this is from the not from the rare book 499 00:34:22.300 --> 00:34:26.800 room, but from the regular archives of the Seminary, but with a 500 00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:32.300 library archive. The library archive. Which is distinct from the institutions archive. We have 501 00:34:32.300 --> 00:34:35.800 published material in the library archive and the institutions archive 502 00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:44.000 has the private papers and minutes from meetings. Okay. But I just got curious when I had to catalog it and 503 00:34:46.500 --> 00:34:52.600 was making sense of the handwriting and it says to my 504 00:34:52.600 --> 00:34:58.400 dear son Adolf with all good wishes. 505 00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:07.800 With wishes for Holy use. A Christmas 1882 CF Otto Hauser. 506 00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:12.200 So the copy that ends up in our archive is the copy the presentation 507 00:35:12.200 --> 00:35:15.900 copy from the editor to his son in the year that it was published. 508 00:35:15.900 --> 00:35:17.500 That was five years before Walter died. 509 00:35:19.100 --> 00:35:20.200 1887. 510 00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:21.900 Wow. 511 00:35:21.900 --> 00:35:30.500 Wow. This has been fascinating and I thank you for being with us and 512 00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:37.700 what can I say. Concordia Seminary is as I said Lutheran 513 00:35:37.700 --> 00:35:42.600 leaven not only producing pastors and and and deaconesses and church 514 00:35:42.600 --> 00:35:43.200 workers. 515 00:35:43.200 --> 00:35:48.300 Not only providing resources, but but our Scholars, and Dr. 516 00:35:48.300 --> 00:35:53.800 Durazzi facilitates this for getting this wonderful vigorous life is a 517 00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:55.800 mind out into Christendom. 518 00:35:55.800 --> 00:36:00.100 So, I thank you Bruce for being with us and thanks to you our audience 519 00:36:00.100 --> 00:36:04.500 for joining us it's always a great time with you. May the intersection of 520 00:36:04.500 --> 00:36:09.800 Word and Work be very busy and also a great blessing on your corner.